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  • #76
    Clinton was the best I've seen and heard.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Edan
      Full text of Blair's speech

      Now why couldn't Bush have given an eloquent speech like that?
      Blair is an exceptional speaker. No debate there.
      http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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      • #78
        CLINTON???

        I know lots of people think so, but the man's voice turned my stomach. I just couldn't listen to him. Everything about the way he spoke screamed "this is all bull****. I'm just saying what I'm supposed to say, like the poll data tells me." I'm not saying he's any worse than any other politician, but for some reason, his voice and manner of speaking really irritated me.

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #79
          Tremendous:

          "And now the world has to learn the lesson all over again that weakness in the face of a threat from a tyrant, is the surest way not to peace but to war.

          Looking back over 12 years, we have been victims of our own desire to placate the implacable, to persuade towards reason the utterly unreasonable, to hope that there was some genuine intent to do good in a regime whose mind is in fact evil. Now the very length of time counts against us. You've waited 12 years. Why not wait a little longer?

          ...

          What would any tyrannical regime possessing WMD think viewing the history of the world's diplomatic dance with Saddam? That our capacity to pass firm resolutions is only matched by our feebleness in implementing them.

          That is why this indulgence has to stop. Because it is dangerous. It is dangerous if such regimes disbelieve us.

          Dangerous if they think they can use our weakness, our hesitation, even the natural urges of our democracy towards peace, against us.

          Dangerous because one day they will mistake our innate revulsion against war for permanent incapacity; when in fact, pushed to the limit, we will act. But then when we act, after years of pretence, the action will have to be harder, bigger, more total in its impact. Iraq is not the only regime with WMD. But back away now from this confrontation and future conflicts will be infinitely worse and more devastating. "
          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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          • #80
            It's not the delivery I care so much. Bush could have read this directly off a sheet of paper and I would have prefered it to last weeks press conference or even Monday's speech. (indeed, I did not see Blair give thespeech, I only read it)
            "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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            • #81
              Arrian, I can't say I disagree with you, although I quit liked Clinton and certainly prefer him over Bush.

              However, I saw a couple of speeches made by Clinton after his polital career and they were more then great.

              The one thing he does very well IMHO is reading it like he knows the text by hart or is improvising it.
              He sort of makes you forget, he is using an autocue.
              Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
              Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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              • #82
                Re: Commons votes WAR!

                Originally posted by Ned
                Just in.

                Blair is safe.

                Saddam is not.

                Blair wins Parliament vote on Iraq war
                You know what would be truely hilarious at this moment? If Bush withdrew US forces and left Tony Blair holding the bag!
                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                • #83
                  Come now, Herr Doktor, stop worrying, and learn to love the bomb.

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #84
                    Doc: And then said... "FOOL YOU"
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #85
                      So why the ultimatum now, and not April 1st?
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                        So why the ultimatum now, and not April 1st?
                        That's what makes Bush such a cheeky bastard.
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                        • #87
                          Of almost mingish proportions.
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #88
                            No, that doesn't even come close the Mingish bastardness.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #89
                              Ah, it's notyoueither, Canada's greatest pro-US apologist
                              Speaking of Erith:

                              "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                              • #90
                                Re: Re: Commons votes WAR!

                                Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


                                You know what would be truely hilarious at this moment? If Bush withdrew US forces and left Tony Blair holding the bag!
                                Kinda reminds me the behaviour of Ghandi in Civ3, when he allies with someone and dumps him the very same turn

                                Gosh, I just compared Bush with Ghandi
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