Now that war is assured...

[rah]

Originally posted by Spiffor
A "clean-up operation" which will look like this :

To stop Saddam from doing this again with poison gas.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Originally posted by Spiffor
A "clean-up operation" which will look like this :





Bravo

I agree with that. There will be pictures like this. But from airstrikes and missile attacks. It will not be a ground WAR. Even Iraq is asking the same question... why bother? Might as well give up.

But still... it's just a clean up operation.

[DaShi]

[Spiffor]

Rah :
Do you believe your admin spent billions, risks American lives, and fostered opposition against the US worldwide for the altruistic sake of saving Iraqis ?

Monkspider :
I just wanted to show the mess that'll have to be cleaned up after the of-so nice "clean-up operation". And you can't clean up the death and suffering your bombs will bring.
I insist showing pictures of war's horrors, because most Americans here seem to forget concretely what war is about. Figures don't mean anything. Seeing a mother losing her son may do. Seeing a person jumping from the tallest building of the world just before its collapse certainly did.

[Willem]

Originally posted by rah


Even if we win, giving the power to the people that have been subjected to Sadam's hateful propaganda for over a decade since that last Gulf war is not likely to produce a country that will look at the US in a friendly light.

And it won't just be limited to Iraq. I was watching a segment about the situation in Jordan. At least 75% of the people are strongly opposed to the US invading. There's very real fears there about whether it will be possible to retain order if the death toll starts climbing in Iraq.

[Willem]

Originally posted by rah
I laugh at your assumption. Then why haven't the kurds in the north suffered to the same degree? Hmmm.. Maybe it's the leader that is the difference.

You can't use that as proof. The Kurds are favoured by the Americans, so the sanctions wouldn't have been as restricting in their territory as in the central part of Iraq.

[MrFun]

United States government doesn't give a rats ass about crimes against humanity, such as what happened to the Kurds.

[Gatekeeper]

I heard a rumor that U.S. government employees eat babies for breakfast, lunch and supper! Therefore it must be true. Even worse, I heard that our soldiers eat not only babies, but the babies' mothers, too! Therefore it must be true.

Gatekeeper

[rah]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Rah :
Do you believe your admin spent billions, risks American lives, and fostered opposition against the US worldwide for the altruistic sake of saving Iraqis ?

Not at all. I was just showing that it is quite easy to influence peoples feelings by showing "STOCK FOOTAGE" pictures as arguements. While it can be quite effective, I not sure how I feel about using them. Sometimes they get in the way of rational discussions.

Willem, yes that still concerns me, but I'm sure a lot of opinion afterwards could still be influenced about how the US handles the aftermath.

On a side note, a cartoon I saw this morning had a daughter asking her father where the word war came from. He answered

We
Are
Right

[Willem]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


WTF is Canada doing to help anyone, besides themselves?

Helping you clean up in Afghanistan for one. I can list several more situations, but I'm not going to bother. Seems you're just interested in lashing out and maintaining that the US is the only country that cares about other people.

[KrazyHorse]

What's even funnier is that the person he was responding to is British...

[Willem]

Originally posted by Frogger
Notice how it's always another country that has to pay the cost for your "mistakes"?

I wonder how you'd feel if this war was going to cost the US tens of thousands of lives.

If you wouldn't be willing to go in that case, then what right have you to tell others that they'll be sacrificing their lives for the greater good?

Yet even though it was their mistake to begin with, we'll no doubt face retribution at the trade tabel for not going along with them. If they want to screw up their foreign affairs, they should be prepared to clean up their own mess.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by rah
Not at all. I was just showing that it is quite easy to influence peoples feelings by showing "STOCK FOOTAGE" pictures as arguements. While it can be quite effective, I not sure how I feel about using them. Sometimes they get in the way of rational discussions.

Agreed.
I used these pictures merely to debunk the myth this "clean-up operation" will be anything else than chaos. Fine, I'll just continue calling your splendid little war a "slaughter".

On a side note, a cartoon I saw this morning had a daughter asking her father where the word war came from. He answered

We
Are
Right

So true. Worst thing is : everybody will find what he wants in this cartoon : pro-war people will believe war is necessary because "We" [Americans] are right, while anti-war people will see how the American bigotry leads to this slaughter.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Dissident


and I don't expect tens of thousands of civilians to die. I expect less than 200 to die.

Then you are extremely naive!

[Willem]

Originally posted by Dissident
well not that many people cared when americans lost their lives.

Give us a break! You had the whole world on your side after Sept. 11. We all grieved right along with you. Don't you dare say no one cared!

It is human nature to dismiss those people who you have never met who are no where near where you live.

It's also human nature to have a sense of morality and compassion.