Whatever happened to free speech?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Willem
Yes Ming, you never did answer my question regarding the rights of the Dixie Chicks fans that weren't offended, and might actually support their views. What are their options in all of this? Should they as well have have to kow tow to the official line because of a vocal minority?

And what rights of loyal Dixie Chicks fans are being trampled here. They have all the same options they had before... choose what radio station they want to listen to... and buy whatever CD's they want to... the same rights as the people who are no longer loyal..

Sounds fair to me.

You are the one that seems to missing something... like any defense for your point of view except for musicians should be treated better than everybody else

[Willem]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

So, what you are basically saying is that radio stations do not have free speech rights. By making them accept their 'responsibility' (which they don't have), you violate their free speech.

How does having the courage to acknowledge both sides of an issue violate their freedom of speech?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Willem
How does having the courage to acknowledge both sides of an issue violate their freedom of speech?

Because you want to force them to an acknowledge something they may not believe in... talk about a violation of free speech...

You call it courage... but all it really is, is you wanting to cram your point of view down their throats.

But I guess you are allowed to have opinions, but radio stations aren't.

[loinburger]

How does forcing a radio station to play songs by a given band not violate the station's freedom of speech?

[Willem]

Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre


Are you saying that Chicksie Dixs have expressed a hatred against American way of life? Didn't they just express their disliking vs a certain politician, which is something completely different?

Exactly, all she did was express her dissatisfaction of the current president and his policies. It reflects poorly on the American public if they can be so offended, so easily. At least Jane Fonda had to travel all the way to North Vietnam in order to get villified in the same way that they are being now. I'm sure there's more than a few people calling her a traitor simply for exercising a political right that I thought all Americans were entitled to.

[Arrian]

They may be wrong, but they have the right to villify the Chick for her PoV, as much as the Chick has the right to express that PoV (which was to villify Dubya).

Christ! This isn't rocket science.

-Arrian

[Ming]

Yeah Arrian... His point of view is that nobody else is allowed a point of view... only musicians

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming
Because you want to force them to an acknowledge something they may not believe in... talk about a violation of free speech...

What, they can't state somewhere that they don't support a view even while airing it? Radio station owners have the same opportunity to express their views through their media as an editor for a newspaper. I fail to see a violation of their rights here, sorry.

[Japher]

I fail to see a violation of their rights here, sorry.

really? what happened? did I read that wrong?

[Verto]

Originally posted by Willem
At least Jane Fonda had to travel all the way to North Vietnam in order to get villified in the same way that they are being now. I'm sure there's more than a few people calling her a traitor simply for exercising a political right that I thought all Americans were entitled to.

Maybe you should learn a bit more about what Jane Fonda did. When some of the captured American POWs gave her their social security numbers, what did she do? She turned them into the North Vietnamese.

If that is a political right, I'm ashamed to possess it.

EDIT: Thanks.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming
Yeah Arrian... His point of view is that nobody else is allowed a point of view... only musicians

Oh give it a rest Ming, now you're getting tiresome.

Obviously you've been involved in the industry so long you're incapable of being impartial. Can't be biting the hand that feeds you now can you? And no I don't make my living playing music, I do it solely for my own satisfaction. You however have a blatant conflict of interest on this issue.

[Arrian]

I assume you mean the North Vietnamese (not NKs), Verto?

-Arrian

[Willem]

Originally posted by Verto


Maybe you should learn a bit more about what Jane Fonda did. When some of the captured American POWs gave her their social security numbers, what did she do? She turned them into the North Koreans.

If that is a political right, I'm ashamed to possess it.

Jane Fonda is irrelevant. The point I was trying to make is that the American public seems to be suffering from a severe bout of intolerance for any view other than that espoused by George W. Bush.

[Verto]

Oops!

Danke

[Arrian]

This thread has become tiresome.

And I've gotta go.

Like I said before: at the very least, this thread remained vaguely civil. Notwithstanding a couple of shots here or there (edit: such as the several ones Willem has been taking at the American public, notwithstanding the fact that the complainers are just a vocal minority in the deep South).

-Arrian