What did Saddam do?

[yavoon]

I luv the ACLU very important. but sometimes they can be a lil like PETA. all means to end and that can insult ppl.

hope they shoot down the patriot act tho, that crap is scary.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
When you use the phrase "human rights" in the context of [Israel in the Occupied Territories], you are not talking about the right to dye your pubes mauve and molest poultry in public. You are talking about the right not to have your home demolished, be driven away at gunpoint and quite probably gassed or shot simply because you come from a differing cultural background to the [Israelis]. That's the situation you are dealing with here- it's a very basic level of human security and dignity, not some effete level of libertarian perfection.

Edit: edits in brackets made by me.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Che--edit that posts. I'm ****ed if I'm going to happily see you post that as a quote under my name. The actions of the Israelis, bad as they are, are in no way comparable to the Ba'athists and only someone with a monstrously skewed sense of reality would attempt to do so.

Edit it. Don't post that crap under my name. I'm ****ing serious.

[chequita guevara]

Change the names, its the same thing. Furthermore, since the changes are in brackets, it's clear that I made changes. If you don't like it, tough. They've killed 30,000 Palestinians since 1948, and have done everything else you put in your post, including using gas (though not toxic).

Hussein is a typical murderous despot, no different from scores of others under the US's wing.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Edit it. You can post it under your own name and I have no objections at all. I don't want anyone coming into this thread and thinking I'm equating Iraq to Israel.

You can make exactly the same point without placing it in a quote under my name, and you can even cut and paste it. Leaving it as it is can only be construed as an attempt to wind me up, and it's ****ing succeeding. Edit it.

[The Mad Monk]

Bad form, Che.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


He's right. I would have posted something, but Joseph already took care of it. I remember having conversations about it at the place where I worked with my regular customers. They were all like, "We should go over there and kick their asses." I'm like, "I can understand that, but their fighting the Iranians, who took our people. It was obviously an accident, and they've apologized." In hindsight, it may have been payback for giving the Iranians missiles, but that's another story.

You know Che, I don't support your commie thing, but sometime you make me laugh.
Of course you are correct one more time on this and just incorrect on all other thing.

That plane knew who we were before the attack. US Navy ships are very easy to ID. Look at other countrys ships and then look at our. They don't look the same. Plus we have these big white numbers on our hull that can be seen a long way off.

Reagan was selling arms to both Iraq and Iran at the same time. Maybe he though the both sides would kill each other off, and then we could just move in and take over, who know. Reagan can't talk anymore.

Most of the Iran money when to the Contras and under the table some money was used to get a few hostages out of Lebanon before a stupid reporter blew the deal on the front page of his paper. Believe this, some Iranian guy was helping us.

For the world, I did not like Saddam even then (1980), now I know why.

[AnnC]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp: But- just check out (via non-political organisations like Amnesty and HRWatch) the bodycounts attributable to the Ba'athists, and ask yourself if you can stomach letting that continue unabated.

I can't.

You advocate the invasion and conquest of Iraq in order to stop human rights violations, but you're not willing participate in that military action yourself.

Unless you're willing to join the military and act on your convictions, you're just blowing hot air.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by AnnC
Unless you're willing to join the military and act on your convictions, you're just blowing hot air.

Unlike the other posters here of course.

Can't you come up with a stronger attack on his views other than "join the military or shut up?"

[notyoueither]

There's an expert on hot air, right there.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by GePap
MM:

Did the guards at the CIA statetion also have blanks when they were blown up a few days earlier, with 60 odd people dying? And wans't a French Barracks also attacked the day of the Barracks bombing? Did those guards have blanks?

The point being, tanks don't end terrorism. Israel has what, 20,000 troops in the West bank? Given comparative size and population, the Israeli occupation of that area is much tighter that what we plan for Iraq (if one assumes 100,000 men), and yet with all of that they can't stop suicide bombers 100%, and the Palestinian areas are not swimming with guns as Iraq is, nor are Iraq's borders as easy to seal as Palestinain borders (which the Israelis have yet to actually fully seal). Everyone is expecting all Iraqis to welcome us with open arms. But what do our boys do once people start trying to blow them up? They don't know the language, don't know the fissures, so every Iraqi will become suspect to them if any campaign such as that starts..and that will alienate soldiers form the population they control, and vice versa.

I never said that it made sense.

Please stop reliving Vietnam.

[AnnC]

DinoDoc, I'm trying to make a point about homebody warmongers and armchair generals who would happily send US soldiers to die for something they advocate, but are unwilling to put their own lives at risk.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by AnnC
DinoDoc, I'm trying to make a point about homebody warmongers and armchair generals who would happily send US soldiers to die for something they advocate, but are unwilling to put their own lives at risk.

Do you feel the same way about Afghanistan?

[AnnC]

I see Iraq and Afghanistan very differently.

We (the US) were attacked by Al-Queda, and Afghanistan was Al-Queda's home base at the time. Therefore the war against Afghanistan was a just war, to use the theological term, which was precipitated by aggression against the US.

The war in Iraq, if it happens (which seems almost certain at this point), is an elective war.

[DanielXY]

If you support an action is is not required to take part. The troops are voluntary in the army and get paid by the taxpayer (= partly those who support war with iraq) for their job (which involves invading countries and the like ).