Did we score a victory?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Nope. Blair is outmanuvering you. For awhile it looked like the UNSC resoultion would fail to get even a majority of the votes required, now Blair is coming up with a scheme that will get us 9 votes for the UNSC and allow us to go with war more support. Bush has been very clear he will go to war unless Saddam starts some drastic reversal; so you guys haven't accomplished anything.

Snooze. When will Blair get his 9 votes?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by yavoon
if disagreeing w/ an inept organization(the UN) hurts foreign relations. then let them be hurt.

and if feminists keep protesting an invasion that would remove from power a dictator in a region known for all but taking a huge steaming dump on woman. I am also not worried.

its all just knee jerk reaction by the left.

Women in Iraq enjoy probably the most freedoms of any women in the Arab world. What are you talking about?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

This is a BAM:

Actually, it really isn't. The extent of French-Iraqi ties are well known, and there is really no other conceivable reason for France to threaten to veto "any deadline" for disarmament - would that mean that if Hussein says Uday's grandkid might get around to it next century, then that's OK with France?

"more time for the inspection process to work" is a lot different than simply opposing any timetable. And if force is never going to be an option, then what? Indefinite continuation of sanctions, that have had no positive effect on any side so far?

[KrazyHorse]

They aren't even going to bother putting it to a vote. They won't get 9 for the original resolution, and Washington doesn't even want the British compromise...

[yavoon]

that doesn't mean a whole lot. I guess it'd be like having to be poked w/ the least hot poker in hell?

[Drake Tungsten]

Actually, it really isn't.

Foghorn is smiling...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Women in Iraq enjoy probably the most freedoms of any women in the Arab world.

Nonsense, look at Qatar...

[Boris Godunov]

Bush's advisors are starting to suggest he withdraw the resolution entirely rather than having it face an almost-certain defeat by vote. It's not going to get 9.

[Asher]

Was Iraq the place where 100% of the people voted in favor of Saddam?

Freedom? Iraq? Booyah.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Now boy, ah say boy, ...

At least I'm not a chickenhawk...

You're no chicken!

I say, what am I then, boy?

You're a loud-mouthed schnook!

I love Foghorn with that chickenhawk and the dog. Best trio of characters in looney tunes.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sprayber
So basically you are against Hussein being caught in a lie you admit he has probably told and committed?

I don't think there whould be war just because of what someone says or doesn't say. Iraq hasn't done anything to us. We have no legitimate reason to go to war with them.

I only wished you would have been this motivated against the intervention in Kosovo. What has got you motivated this time I wonder. Is it simply Bush? Is Killing Iraqis any more wrong than killing Serbs? Are you just bored?

I wasn't at Poly when that war went down. I didn't come here 'till a year afterwards, which may be why you don't remember me saying much.

For practical reasons, I couldn't be involved with the miniscule anti-war movement, as my grandfather broke his hip right before the war began (March 18, 1999), and I spent the war taking care of my grandmother. He died two days after my birthday (April 30, 1999) from complications. I stayed at my grandmother's until early July, when my mother moved home to take care of my grandmother full time.

Even had that not been the case though, at the time I felt (and I still feel) that there was really no point in being actively opposed to the Kosovo War simply because we had no chance of stopping it. While I see a need to protest when you feel the government is doing something you feel is wrong, I also consider it political masturbation. It makes you feel good but it accomplishes little else.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher

Nonsense, look at Qatar...

That's why I said "probably."

Women in Iraq are not treated terribly, certainly not by Middle Eastern standards. They can vote, drive, go to college, own property, and even wear pants.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher
Was Iraq the place where 100% of the people voted in favor of Saddam?

Freedom? Iraq? Booyah.

So how many Kuwaitis got to vote for their leaders?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Actually, it really isn't. The extent of French-Iraqi ties are well known, and there is really no other conceivable reason for France to threaten to veto "any deadline" for disarmament - would that mean that if Hussein says Uday's grandkid might get around to it next century, then that's OK with France?

"more time for the inspection process to work" is a lot different than simply opposing any timetable. And if force is never going to be an option, then what? Indefinite continuation of sanctions, that have had no positive effect on any side so far?

This whole thing is really just a tempest in a teapot all blown out of proportions.

It can't be about Saddam Hussein being a nasty bastard. There are loads of nasty bastards that GWB hasn't said a word about.

It can't be about violation of human rights.

It can't be about getting CBN weapons.

It can't be about Bush Sr., who came out spanking Dubya not so long ago.

Since we all know what the war is about, GWB and/or his lapdog Blair making all these noises can't fool anybody. That's why France is dead set against it. It's not because they are unreasonable, it's because they know what the US/UK is really up to.

[yavoon]

yes woman can vote in iraq. and they just luv saddam so much. why not keep him around.

he seems like a chummyguy. hey and if he pisses them off they can go protest!