Arab newspapers give details of future Iraqi government

[GePap]

Kurdish lands run deep, and how would the Kurds be able to give over control to another state of vital infrastructure?

The Turks see it as part of their republic, and thus, its thier land..the residents are citizens fo the Turkish republic, period. Separatism and trying to break up Turkey are not allowed.

Its a little notion called nationalism.... you might be very familiar with it and its consequences.

[Buck Birdseed]

What the Kurds are engaged in (trying to preserve their culture, language and heritage) is nationalism. The Turks are trying to engage in anti-nationalist imperialist oppression, of the kind the Austrain empire would have conducted 150 years ago.

[Az]

Kurdish lands run deep, and how would the Kurds be able to give over control to another state of vital infrastructure?

why wouldn't they? One would've thought that getting an independent state was their goal? If you think that the reason that Turkey needs those eastern lands is Water, and what the Kurds want is an independent state, One would've thought that a compromise is quite feasible. unless some of our starting conditions are not true.

The Turks see it as part of their republic, and thus, its thier land..the residents are citizens fo the Turkish republic, period. Separatism and trying to break up Turkey are not allowed.

Well, that kind of thinking won't get you nowhere. ( an Israeli should know ).

[Ramo]

The Turks hvee been participating in ethnic cleansing on a massive scale during the past few decades on its Kurdish population to eliminate Kurdish nationalism. If there's an independent Kurdistan, the Turkish state fears that Kurdish nationalism would be resurrected.

[GePap]

I do not think Buck that the Turks see themselves as overlords of far flung lands away form their "homeland" but instead do view every bit of what is now the Republic of Tukey as Turkish land, beloging historically to them..that makes their oppresion of the Kurds, who are a minority within Turkey that happen to be concentrated in a few regions, nationalism.

Azazel: part of having your own state is controlling everything within it and not letting any outsiders make rules for you.

[Az]

Azazel: part of having your own state is controlling everything within it and not letting any outsiders make rules for you.

That's why the dams won't be within it.

[GePap]

A river is a common good..anytime a river crosses borders, states have to make agreements about water allocation (as an Israeli should know). Why should the Turks go thourgh the hassle when they can simply own it all? They do think it is all theirs anyway.

[Sava]

The international powers have never shown they can effectively drawn new borders after wars. Personally, I think by getting rid of Saddam, Bush is going to turn Iraq into a war-torn region much like the Balkans. Throughout history, anywhere Western International powers have tried to draw maps, they've created problems. I don't see how Iraq would be any different... in fact, it will probably be worse because these borders and zones are being drawn by a brain-donor like Bush.

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by GePap
I do not think Buck that the Turks see themselves as overlords of far flung lands away form their "homeland" but instead do view every bit of what is now the Republic of Tukey as Turkish land, beloging historically to them..that makes their oppresion of the Kurds, who are a minority within Turkey that happen to be concentrated in a few regions, nationalism.

Imperialism is hardly related to proximity to the motherland, as most pre-colonial empires show. The turkish "nationalism" is rhetoric used to keep the empire together- if they're all Turks together there's no chance of any breaking off.

I'd go so far as to say that Nationalism can't actually be a position held by a non-minority. Nationalism is the doctrine of wanting to create your own nation (beside all the cultural preservation, interest-promoting, historical stuff), majority ethnic groups most often have their own nations already...