Tired of religion

[MrFun]

You don't realize the symbolism behind the flag, do you?

Flags are very meaningful symbols of countries, in my opinion.

I don't like the idea of mixing hyper-patriotism with religious sermons, with a country's flag displayed in places of religious worship, because in my view, hyper-patriotism mixed with religious fundamentalism is dangerous.

[GeneralTacticus]

You might as well prohibit national flags from being put up anywhere where political organizations get together. How does putting up a flag result in hyperpatriotism?

[Dis]

if you don't like it, go to a different church

They are a private church. They can hang whatever they want to hang.

[Straybow]

Tyranny of the minority no different from tyranny of the majority

Originally posted by obiwan18
* obiwan18 shakes head.
So the majority must always be right?

No, but neither must the majority kiss the minorities' collective buttocks.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
If they want to display the country's flag in their church, what's wrong with that? I could understand not putting up religious symbols in government buildings, but what's the problem when it's reversed?

Same thing. What's the difference?

[GeneralTacticus]

One is a government giving support to a particular religion; the other is a religious organization giving support to a government. Unless you consider religious organizations and governemnts equivalent, they aren't the same thing.

[Urban Ranger]

No, both mean the government and the religion are tied together, similar to places where multiple flags are displayed. Support is not necessarily the case, together-ness is.

[GeneralTacticus]

I don't see your point. I can, as I said, understand being against governments giving support for religious organizations, but why should one be against religious organizations supporting governments? Why only religious organizations?

[Urban Ranger]

I am disputing your point about "support."

[GeneralTacticus]

Okay, so explain how a church having a flag inside is going to mean that the state is tied in with religion.

[curtsibling]

The general has a fair point.

A church/synagogue/mosque or whatever is meant to be a gateway to things beyond this mortal earth.
What has the nations and states of this planet got to do with it?

In any holy temple, you leave your worldy loyalties at the door.

[Jon Miller]

some religions don't think that way

who are you to force them to think differently?

while I am not into the whole spamming, and I don't neccesarily agree with te emails (I didn't read them, just like I don't read most spam), I do beleive that the religious can support a nation all they want (as long as it is in speech)

I also think that the community should get to decide at such things as baseball games and the like

if therre was a community of wicans, I would totally support a wican ceremony before the game

the only time it gets wrong is if I have to take part, which no one is being forced to in tese situations

Jon Miller

[curtsibling]

Hmmm.

Who are they to force me or their followers to a certain viewpoint?

Worldly affairs and the concept of divinity are not in the same window.

But I suppose it is just another example of humans exploiting an idea for earthly gain.

Whatever.

[Jon Miller]

as a member of a denomination which beleives that the US will turn to evil (one component of this will be the end of seperation of church and state) and a denomination which puts up american flags in places of worship

I can say that some acknoledge that religous groups must concern the,selves with worldly affairs

Jon Miller

[curtsibling]

No offense, but just because you believe in something, that does not make you the law, sir.

It all depends how much stock you place in the concept of so-called 'evil.'

I must say that the entire population of the USA is very unlikely to turn bad.