Tired of religion

[BustaMike]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Unless a person is forced to pray or penalized in some way for not praying, I dont' see what the big deal is. Although inside a classroom is no place for it at all. But some of the people suing over christmas decorations that depict religious scenes are being ridiculous. If your atheist, then they should mean no more to you than a picture of Santa or red white and blue banners during the Independence day celebrations. The only people I see that may have a cause is other religious groups. And as long as they have the exact same opportunity to display their decorations, then I think things should be even.

Remember, being tolerant is a two way street.

Sprayber, I agree. Personally, I couldn't care less if people pray at sporting events or not. Wishing for the safety of the players is a good thing. Just make sure it is nondenominational. The email tries to justify the use of a 100% Christian prayer on the grounds that the majority is Chrisitan and the US was created Christian so everyone else should deal with it. That I disagree with.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by BustaMike


Sprayber, I agree. Personally, I couldn't care less if people pray at sporting events or not. Wishing for the safety of the players is a good thing. Just make sure it is nondenominational. The email tries to justify the use of a 100% Christian prayer on the grounds that the majority is Chrisitan and the US was created Christian so everyone else should deal with it. That I disagree with.

I would be more in favor of a moment of silance so everyone can pray or meditate or sleep if they want to.

[Dis]

freedom of religion means you should be allowed to say a prayer before a game.

It's called freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dissident
freedom of religion means you should be allowed to say a prayer before a game.

It's called freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion

Freedom of religion means you can choose any religion you want, including none. It does not mean a person must have a religion.

[Dis]

exactly

and it means if one person chooses to have a religion, he shouldn't be forced by athiests to have no freedom of speech.

So if some person wants to give a prayer, he should be entitled to do so.

Freedom of Speech takes precedence over freedom of relgion anyways.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dissident
exactly

and it means if one person chooses to have a religion, he shouldn't be forced by athiests to have no freedom of speech.

So if some person wants to give a prayer, he should be entitled to do so.

It depends. Not when it can be taken as the Establishment favouring one religion over others.

Originally posted by Dissident
Freedom of Speech takes precedence over freedom of relgion anyways.

I am not sure if prayers can be construed as speech per se.

[Dis]

if an erect penis inside a woman's mouth can be considered free speech, then I'm sure prayers can

as long as schools aren't forcing people to do prayers, I'm OK with it.

[Urban Ranger]

I am not a lawyer as far as US Constitution goes, so we need to wait for one to arrive.

[Switch]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
There are so-called Christians, and there are Christians.
Christians, don't mass mail spam.

God, I'm glad SOMEONE realizes there's a difference.

Sure, I'm for God, but I won't go spamming people (oh, I hate ).

And though some may wish not to hear prayer before a sports event or what not...do you REALLY have to sue?
Then, I doubt people would. I only glanced at the article, but that was what it was appearing to say.

Anyway, don't badmouth us because some of us spam(unfortunate), and don't sue people for doing stuff you disagree with. Follow the second bit, and we'll all feel better.

Hmm....now, watch as my mind flies off in another direction

[Wernazuma III]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I understood the problem correctly. Is the issue someone in the audience speaking prayers or the stadium speaker?
In the first case, I would definitely consider it a break of personal liberties if one's not allowed to do it. In the second case, I could understand what upsets my fellow atheists. For then, people are almost forced to find themselves to be part of a religious ceremony they don't want to be in - the game is called football, right?

[curtsibling]

Don't even get me started about humans and their ideas about religon!

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I understood the problem correctly. Is the issue someone in the audience speaking prayers or the stadium speaker?
In the first case, I would definitely consider it a break of personal liberties if one's not allowed to do it. In the second case, I could understand what upsets my fellow atheists. For then, people are almost forced to find themselves to be part of a religious ceremony they don't want to be in - the game is called football, right?

It depends. In some cases, there would be a person over a PA system issuing a prayer. Mostly though, its a simple moment of silance. All through my highschool football games there was a moment of silance before the game got underway. BUT, before we as players went out before a game out assistent coach would say a simple prayer. ( he was also a Baptist minister ) This was especially true after three of our players were involved in a car accident the night of a football game in which one was killed.

[MrFun]

What I think can lead to dangerous ideas, is when a country's flag is displayed in a church, or any other place of religious worship.

It's a republic -- not a theocracy, people.

[GeneralTacticus]

If they want to display the country's flag in their church, what's wrong with that? I could understand not putting up religious symbols in government buildings, but what's the problem when it's reversed?

[Dis]

a flag is just a flag after all. a piece of fabric.

It's not like they are holding congressional hearings in churches