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  • #31
    by the way, this doesn't mean that NK is somehow better morally than the US. They're just very shrewd, and IMO should be dealt with much care.
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    • #32
      Shrewd? The guy runs a communist economic toilet which is one day going to back up on him really bad.
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      • #33
        You sound bitter, Lancer
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        • #34
          Shrewd? The guy runs a communist economic toilet which is one day going to back up on him really bad.
          Actually, this guy doesn't care at all about the economy, and even if he did, he wouldn't know how to run it, be it socialist, capitalist, fascist, or whatever. He's mad, and he has power, and he lives in great conditions, he's the leader of a nuclear power. The only thing limiting him, is the fact that he's between giants of world geo-politics, China, Russia, and an economical superpower Japan, as well as S.Korea, which is also very powerful. If N. Korea would magically teleport to SubSaharan africa, it would become an empire in 5 years.
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          • #35
            he can run a crappy country and still outfox the USA in diplomacy. saddam should hire him out
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            • #36
              You sound like you're gloating, UR.
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              • #37
                So, you guys see this NK chess wizard attacking while the US is fighting in Iraq?
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                • #38
                  maaaaaaaaaybe. it would be kinda of a **** in the mouth of the US.
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                  • #39
                    Nope, noway. If he goes nuclear, he can kiss his sorry ass good bye. Otherwise, he won't be able to fight the SK. the SK has a strong standing army, a far superior Airforce, and the support of the entire world.

                    I really don't know what he can do. Although his outmaneuvering of the US was VERY impressive, he's still in dire straights.

                    If I was him, I'd do anything to get the economy on track. and yes, he can do it. Russia doesn't seem to care about his record at all, so he has at least one major trading partner. Neither will much of the other countries around, even S.K. Then he can support whatever groups or proxies he wishes to fight his enemies.This makes him voulnrable, though, since he becomes dependant on external trade. However he's still safe, since he's got nukes. nothing can take him out, now.


                    This is as much as I can figure out.
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                    • #40
                      "This is as much as I can figure out"

                      Something to like in this discussion after all.
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                      • #41
                        Hey, all we can all make are a bunch of educated guesses.
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                        • #42
                          Repositioning troops appears to have more to do with how the US wants more flexability out of these units than with eithier the wishes of DPRK or ROK.

                          It does also appear that the ROK army would be very effective in stopping the DPRK on their own. Korea is such a small place that any war there would probably destroy much of the ROK economy. For the DPRK to acheive any long term success in dominating the peninsula, it may be that attacking sooner rather than later is in their interests. What better time than when US troops are being repositioned and the bulk of their force is tied down in the ME.
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                          • #43
                            In any case, the presence of 37 thousand US troops will do little to change the way this war is conducted.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Azazel
                              In any case, the presence of 37 thousand US troops will do little to change the way this war is conducted.
                              Where they are could very well have a lot to do with it. If they are in Japan and ROK is stopping DPRK cold, then it may be possible to sit it out. If they are at the DMZ, then US will definately be involved.
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                              • #45
                                how did nk outmaneuver the usa exactly? it's the other way around to me...
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