Give peace a chance. Saddam isn't such a bad guy once you get to know him...

[SlowwHand]

Ladies and Gentlemen, SlowwHand has left the building.

[Drake Tungsten]

Ladies and Gentlemen, SlowwHand has left the building.

The King is gone...

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

There are always an infinite range of possibilities to every situation, and with Iraq it is no different.

Do you actually believe this tripe or are you just trying to confuse me with childish platitudes?

Do you disagree my friend? Do you not think that there are ways other than through war to accomplish the ideals that the Iraqi War is said to stand for (helping the Iraqi people, bringing them democracy, and so forth). If you do, then I think we are in agreement. And yes, I believe it as much as I believe anything, I am sure that you will as well, one day.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Stay out of the way of the Soviet Union.

We'd have a global competitor (either Nazi Germany or USSR) to deal with and it would be in a much better position to oppose the US on the international stage if the US completely sat out of the war.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Cite me an example, where the U.S. has ever been the aggressor.

Panama
Grenada
1812
Vietnam

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
1812

The Brits provoked that one by enslaving our sailors.

Grenada

They were the ones threatening the lives of American civilians.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The Brits provoked that one by enslaving our sailors.

Grenada

They were the ones threatening the lives of American civilians.

Oh yeah, likely story.

[monkspider]

re: the matter of aggression, of course there are enough examples of American aggression to fill a rather healthy sized tome. I didn't think Sloww was seriously asking about American aggression in general, but rather American aggression toward it's own people, or else I would have addressed the question in greater depth earlier. America is a country that was founded on aggression, rose to prominence through aggression, and is likely to one day, unless it changes course, to be destroyed by it's aggression.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Oh yeah, likely story.

Which one?

[Drake Tungsten]

And yes, I believe it as much as I believe anything, I am sure that you will as well, one day.

I highly doubt that...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by monkspider
I didn't think Sloww was seriously asking about American aggression in general, but rather American aggression toward it's own people

For starters:

Driving the Native Americans off their lands
Rounding up the Japaneses during WWII
Being nasty to leftists during the era of McCarthyism
Racial profiling - now

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I highly doubt that...

I am sure that you do, but at the same time, I can offer you a 100% guarantee that one day we will be in agreement.

[Straybow]

God never gives us a problem that can only be resolved through violence.

God didn't "give" us a problem, man made it. It is saying, "Kill them all and let God sort them out," except letting somebody else do the killing. Cowardice in the name of God is yet cowardice.

I once believed that some wars truly are unavoidable, and WW II is the one that I always thought of. …there was still a way to defeat [Hitler] through peaceful means. It may seem impossible, but with God nothing is impossible.

There are so many ignorant follies in that paragraph I sit agape. You managed to get pretty much every misconception about the rise of Nazism into one run-on sentence. Amazing.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Straybow

God never gives us a problem that can only be resolved through violence.

God didn't "give" us a problem, man made it. It is saying, "Kill them all and let God sort them out," except letting somebody else do the killing. Cowardice in the name of God is yet cowardice.

Of course God didn't literally "give" us a problem, in fact, all of our problems are inevitably and intrinsically linked to falliing short of God's perfection. But on the same coin, despite seperarting ourselves from god most of the time in our actions, God is never seperate from us and always helps us to make this life offer the most spiritual growth possible. So, God will help out those who desire to grow closer to him.
I am honestly not sure what you meant with the "kill em
all" analogy. But in regards to the cowardice comment. What do you mean by cowardice? Being scared of the ghost in your closet? or being too afraid to ask out that girl sitting in front of you? Or do you think that peace is cowardice, that refusing to resolve questions through violence is cowardice, if so then you are not correct. Pacifism, love, brotherhood, if one can attain to these ideals despite the pressures in this world to do otherwise, then that man is the most courageous of all.

I once believed that some wars truly are unavoidable, and WW II is the one that I always thought of. …there was still a way to defeat [Hitler] through peaceful means. It may seem impossible, but with God nothing is impossible.

There are so many ignorant follies in that paragraph I sit agape. You managed to get pretty much every misconception about the rise of Nazism into one run-on sentence. Amazing.

In what way?

God bless.

[orange]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I defy you to show me one, just one, example of a U.S. leader doing to his people, what Hussein has done to his.

Internment of Japanese during World War II. Slavery from beginnings to 1863, Jim Crow for another century.

Tell me when, the U.S. has done to another country, what Hussein has done to his own.

Japan, Aug. 1945. To be fair, however, Hussein doesn't nearly compare. To name one.

Cite me an example, where the U.S. has ever been the aggressor.

Mexican-American. Spanish-American.