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**Dinner** · March 2, 2003, 14:45

Torture is unlikely since the CIA is heading the investigation. If the CIA uses similiar techniques as the Army then Interrogation involves psychological manipulation. It tends to be very effective and you don't cause physical harm to the captive.

**Timexwatch** · March 2, 2003, 15:23

I'll bet anyone $100 that he's either in Jordan, Egypt or Morocco and that he's not coming to the United States anytime soon. He'll be stewing for a while overseas just like Abu Zubidah is right now.

I can't see him ending up in Gitmo. He'll probably be tried, imprisoned and end up roomates of Ramsi Yousef...

**Spiffor** · March 2, 2003, 16:02

Who's Ramsi Yousef ?

**MichaeltheGreat** · March 2, 2003, 16:42

Originally posted by Oerdin

Some how the higher ups never seem to have the balls to die for the cause. The much prefer sending their fellow fanatics to die instead.

Sound operating procedures would dictate that you never let anyone of his importance (or Zubaidah, or Binalshibh) fall live into the hands of the enemy. He should have had a bodyguard detail to prevent that from happening. Mohammad with a bullet in his brains would still be a nice prize, but nowhere near as valuable to al Qaeda's enemies as Mohammad with his brains intact.

Spiffor - Ramsi Youssef is one of the lead conspirators in the original, botched WTC bombing in 1993?, when they used a truck bomb in the basement parking structure. He's doing a life sentence at the Federal "Supermax" maximum security prison in Colorado.

Timexwatch - if Mohammad ever went to trial, there's no way he'd escape execution - there are several different jurisdictions in which he can be tried, including the Federal District Court for the Northern District of Virginia, where a death sentence would be guaranteed.

Oerdin - CIA's techniques are a little more "intense" than the Army's, but not torture, unless someone has a real weenie definition. They add a more intense level of psychological disorientation to the manipulation, to make it more effective for getting highly complex information over the long term. Torture is very ineffective for the types and amounts of information that could be obtained from Mohammad, as I'm sure you know, but some of our "squishier" posters don't.

I'm just amazed that one of the guys caught with him didn't blow his brains out to keep him from being taken alive - what's wrong with these guys? Damned amateurs.

**Drake Tungsten** · March 2, 2003, 16:48

Fox just said that Mohammed is still in Pakistan, being questioned by US and Pakistani officials. Plans are to move him to Kuwait or some other third country in the near future.

**Spiffor** · March 2, 2003, 16:58

I wonder if the guy will be able to resist the interrogation. I suppose he has somehow trained during his Al-Qaeda days. However, seeing he didn't commit suicide when arrested, I'm also doubting his professionalism.

**Ted Striker** · March 2, 2003, 17:02

Originally posted by Spiffor
Who's Ramsi Yousef ?

Ramzi Yousef was the main man apprehended for doing Trade Center 1. Dr. Mylroie contends he was acting on behalf of Saddam. She also predicted back in 1995 that the current US intelligence services weren't prepared for the terrorist threat and that there was going to be a major attack on US soil very soon. He used to stay at an Al-Queda safehouse run by Bin Laden.

Abu Sayaaf also took hostages in 2000 and demanded the release of Ramzi Yousef.

It's a pretty intertwined nexus of scumbags.

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**Spiffor** · March 2, 2003, 17:08

Ted, MtG, thx for the info

**Drake Tungsten** · March 2, 2003, 17:15

I wonder if the guy will be able to resist the interrogation.

I hope that Mohammed has the determination of a Frenchman. A quick surrender on his part would be extremely valuable for tracking down the rest of Al Qaeda's leadership...

**Lawrence of Arabia** · March 2, 2003, 17:20

if the Prisoners know who he is, and Im sure they do, Ill bet Ramsi gets it up the ass everyday.
Thats worst then being put into the chair.

**Kramerman** · March 2, 2003, 17:21

excellent. He probably wont be able to give specific possible locations for OBL, he can probably give at least a vague descripton of OBL's area of movement in the past, which would be helpful to those hunting him. It would be pleasant indeed if OBL was caught shortly after this, however, realisticly it will be sometime yet...

Kman

**DinoDoc** · March 2, 2003, 17:22

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
if the Prisoners know who he is, and Im sure they do, Ill bet Ramsi gets it up the ass everyday.

I doubt it. Supermax prisons sound like 24/7 solitary confinement type deals.

**Lawrence of Arabia** · March 2, 2003, 17:32

Then its prolly the guards who get in on the action. Maybe the warden too.

**Drake Tungsten** · March 2, 2003, 18:27

If he gets thrown into the general prison population, Mohammed is going to have a hell of a time. He's one sexy beast...

**Dis** · March 3, 2003, 04:22

dammit! I was just going to post that picture.

Almost as bad as this:

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Top Al Qaeda opperative caught in Pakistan.

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