Name That Language European Minorities Special Edition

[Ecthy]

Where are my much deserved "Andy all your points are so interesting" credits?

Or is it a habit of you to start convo and then just turn away?

[Ecthy]

Oh, and could you please tell us WHERE all those minorities live?

Kaszubski is in northern Poland, just between Pommerania and Mazovia.

Sorbia is basically identical with Lusatia.

Basques live in Northern Spain and South Western France.

Go on. Especially Furlan and Aromanian are weird.

[Ecthy]

and what is ladin?

[Az]

Ladin, is a jewish language of sorts, IIRC.

[Kitschum]

Oh, one of these again!

So is #4 Cypriot Turkish...?

[Kitschum]

Originally posted by Azazel
Ladin, is a jewish language of sorts, IIRC.

Right. Ladino is a Spanish Jewish (Sephardic) language. It's the language spoken by Jews who were expelled from Spain to North Africa and the Levant in 1492.

[Gangerolf]

nah, ladin is rhaetro-romanic language spoken in italy

[Kitschum]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
nah, ladin is rhaetro-romanic language spoken in italy

Whew. I had to google but you're right about Ladin, like in Buck's #3. However, the Jewish language that Azazel (and I) confused with Ladin is indeed Ladino, and matches my description. Here's an example of Ladino from about.com:

En komparasion kon las duras sufriensas ke pasaron los reskapados de los kampos de eksterminasion nazistas en Gresia, se puede dizir ke las sufriensas de los olim en el kampo de Kipros no fueron muy grandes, ma despues de anyos de vida en los kampos de konsentrasion, en teribles kondisiones, eyos kerian empesar en una mueva vida en Erets Israel i sus planos eran atrazados agora por unos kuantos mezes.

Edit: And part of a poem from here:

Enpesare a contar
Una valiente estoria
Que olgaresh de atentar
Y tomaresh grande gloria.

Loaresh, bendizeresh
Al Dio alto y enshalshado;
De este mundo savresh
Las cozas que an pasado.

Seash guardados de estorvo
Con toda guestra famia,
Y nunca veash estorvo
Sino todo alegria.

The Dönme in Turkey speak Ladino, as do about a 100,000+ people in Israel.

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Oh, and could you please tell us WHERE all those minorities live?

Furlan - Northwest Italy, also Slovenia and Austria. Centered around the city of Udine.

Ladin - In the southern part of South Tirol, Italy, ie. almost as far north as you can come.

Saterland Frisians- in the far north-west of Germany, between Bremen and the Dutch border. Saterland frisian is spoken only in four tiny villages.

Arumanians- spread out in tiny enclaves throughout the balkans, with populations in Greece (largest), Makedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Albania and southern Romania.

[Provost Harrison]

Is 4 Kurdish?

[Buck Birdseed]

No.

[Gangerolf]

#4 must be gagauz, the langugage of the christian turks of moldova!

[MRT144]

its all greek to me

[Gangerolf]

oh and Buck, that Karlsson-book is really hard to find on-line, but he's apparently coming out with a new book in april, and it seems to be about the exact same topic? http://www.wwd.se/boknyhet/91-46-20034-7.htm

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
#4 must be gagauz, the langugage of the christian turks of moldova!

Well done, all!

Det Lilla Europa came out in 1992, published by the right-wing thinktank Timbro. Ingmar Karlsson being a pretty typical swedish Social Democrat really probably wanted to publish an updated version without the adverse political baggage. It's also quite a slim volume and could probably do with an expansion.