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  • #46
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    I think the US and Canada should be thrown out of NATO, so that it can form the nucleus for an all European armed forces.
    I voted to get out, but if that happens I'd want to stay in.



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    • #47
      Originally posted by VetLegion
      Conscripts, easily!

      A good conscript who does not fight for money but for glory of the homeland and also well disciplined and trained, is the most feared soldier!
      But a hi-tech country like Finland could surely better defend itself with the latest weaponry and professional armed forces?

      Aren't large armies just "cannon fodder"?

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      • #48
        So the Canadians are afraid to remain one on one with the US, without the NATO umbrella.

        Thanks God the Finns turn out to be rather reasonable people. They don't aspire to NATO.
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        • #49
          Nivek, That's what we are trying to figure out right now.
          We are chaging slowly. We never had classical big army that does lots of frontal attacks over big fields, dying in tens of thousands. We are rather mobile, stealthy, rely on surprise and getting initiative, which we think is essential. So we can't be just big army with lots of men, and never were. We hit on those weaknesses. We can never put big amounts of men in few important places, as I said, our country is too big to defend. So when I say big army, it means comparing to our population, not comparing to the enemy. Most of them we are small.

          We are trying to get somewhere in the middle of hi tech army and big army. It's a big dilemma. On the other hand we could get lots of latest weaponry, or more of them, and set up active career soldiers. But they couldn't defend the whole country in effective way. Only some cities and some country side. On the other hand, with the size of our army now, we can't so much of those hi tech weapons we'd like to have, but we have bigger capacity to defend the borders. Plus we don't need all hi tech weapons, only the ones that we need for defending ourselves.. But as I said, it's a big question and still to be solved.
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          • #50
            On the other hand the face of war has changed, so it might not matter if we had 10 million men in the woods waiting for the enemy, if they only just launched few strategic attacks, and we would have to surrender after that... But if we woudl change our systems to only counter for cruise missile attacks etc, and then the enemy would give us conventional attack using 400 000 men ground troops knowing we don't have lots of soldiers who are ready? If I knew the answer, I'd be famous man in here..
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            • #51
              USA! We won't bury you!
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              • #52
                If Canada & the US both leave NATO it would become the North East Atlantic Treaty Organization - NEATO !
                There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                • #53
                  NATO must die!

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                  • #54
                    My opinion: Throw France out of the NATO. They don't deserve membership.
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