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Pekka: I don't really think that you need NATO.
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In theory, NATO is a good concept. But Kosovo prooved that NATO is simply no better than Nazi Germany.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Woohoo! Savatroll goes into action!
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Woohoo Arrignorant goes into action!To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Azazel, well not really but.. but... it would be lots of fun?
In da butt.
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Sava,
Nato's intervention in Kosovo has been discussed quite a bit, and I do not wish to get into it again here, but "NATO is simply no better than Nazi Germany" is clearly a troll.
To pretend otherwise is silly. The avatar is fitting. Timah!
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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SAVA!To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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*sigh*grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I think the US and Canada should be thrown out of NATO, so that it can form the nucleus for an all European armed forces.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Britain should kick the American bases out, and forbid them to renew their leases on assorted British colonies. And maybe leave NATO as well.Comment
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i agree that its unwise to burn bridges, though i think it will likely take more than a year or two to repair the relations.Originally posted by Gangerolf
that's just silly ned.
you'll be friends again in a year or two
I don think NATO needs rethinking, at a minimum. It is very difficult to state the strategic rationale for it now, at least in terms of relations among the great powers. I would be hesitant to dispose of it so soon after admitting the eastern members, who clearly do still see at as an essential part of their security. I can certainly see arguments (from the US pointof view) for demphasizing it, while working on certain bilateral relationships both with NATO members, and non-NATO states.
If i was a citizen of a non-NATO state i would be hestiant to decide one way or the other before the Iraq crisis plays out, and i get better idea of where "the chips fall". In particular i was a Finn I would be closely watching Russian behavior, the nature of Russia's relations with the US on the one hand, and with the Franco-German block on the other.
I would certainly be very reluctant to base any policy on a Euro force, given the unsettled nature of the relations among European states, and the apparent profound differnces they have on grand strategy."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I think the US and Canada should be thrown out of NATO, so that it can form the nucleus for an all European armed forces.
Could we Canuckistanis stay? I dread to think what the US could do to us if we didn't have allies behind us.
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Please do.Originally posted by Ned
NATO is about the US defending Europe.
I am no longer willing to defend France or Germany or Belgium. These countries leave or we leave.
Can I do something to help you along? 
Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts
Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.Comment
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I am from a non NATO country who wishes to be in NATO (or so the politicians say)
I am against my country joining NATOComment
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I think NATO is a good insurance policy against a potential resurgence of Russian nationalism. Not that it is likely, but you have to be prepared.
Also, I think that NATO would be a good front edge for the EU in Asia and the Middle East, if Europe would take advantage of it.
Overall, I'm all for NATO.
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