Abortion and capital punishment

[SlowwHand]

Where do you pull that from, Ranger?
Only one place I can think of off-hand.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Because before a fetus gains sentience, it is no different from a swine or a duck. If you are against abortion under any circumstances, you should also be a strict vegetarian.

but unlike a duck, a fetus WILL GAIN sentience and become a PERSON if allowed to grow.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu
Pro-choice, support death penalty.

Although I want a moratorium on the death penalty because the justice system in the US is racist and if you are rich, you can get off.

[MrFun]

I oppose the death penalty but I support, restricted, regulated abortion.

It's not up to chauvinistic, pig-headed men who have no idea what pregnancy is like, to decide for women, whether or not they have to go through the entire pregnancy.

[monkspider]

Strongly oppose death penalty, on the fence with regards to abortion, more pro-choice than pro-life however.

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Abortion, except for health concerns, rape, etc. is a lazy approach to birth control.

I don't understand. If abortion is killing an innocent human life, why is it any less innocent if it was rape?

[Sava]

Birth Control methods are not 100% effective Slowwhand.

[SlowwHand]

Abstination is, Sava. Not that I could manage, but the fact remains.


Garth. Do you tink your mother/wife/girlfriend needs to have the reminder of rape daily?
Do you want the genes of a rapist passed on ?

[Sava]

Bah, don't even start with that abstination crap. Once you hit 18, you can f**k whatever you want. Sure, there are consequences to having lots of intercourse, but the technology is available to let us have our cake and eat it to.

In terms of abortion, I've never seen statistics, but I wonder how often this late-term abortion stuff happens. I mean, it seems silly that a woman would suddenly decide she just didn't want a baby as she's getting ready to pop. Or the whole partial-birth thing. I mean seriously, how often does a woman just suddenly say, "Oh yeah, I don't want this kid," as it's coming out of her?

And if it doesn't happen all that much, why legislate against it? The slippery-slope consequences of such legislation against partial-birth abortion scares me more than not having it.

For Pro-lifers, if you want to prevent abortion, the promote the use of safe-sex, and birth-control. Teaching abstinence is good, but don't exclude the teaching of other methods. Ignorance is the cause for the spread of disease and for unwanted pregnancy. Trying to fight the raging human hormones is a lost cause. You might as well educate people so they can be responsible in their sex life instead of trying to preach your own moral, often hypocritical, self-righteous views on abstinence.

[Arrian]

I waffle on the DP - in theory, I'm for it, but since the courts seem to **** up a lot, I'm not sure we should be doing it. Oh, ****! Does that lump me in with Sava?
I voted pro-DP in the poll, though, despite my worries about it.

Pro-choice as well.

-Arrian

[Sava]

I'm not all bad... I'm just an 4sshole!

[General Ludd]

I'm against the death penalty. I try not to touch the abortion subject with a ten foot pole (and I better not hear any jokes about that Sava, you pervert), but I'd have to say I'm 'pro-life'. I'm mostly just against it as a method of birth control, but when you devle into the issues of rape, ect... well, I'm not about to pretend my opinion matters to the woman in that case.

[Sava]

hehe Oswald, I'm hurt you think I'm a pervert that would joke about that

Osweld echos my point exactly. To avert abortion being used as a birth-control method, we need to promote safe-sex and the use of birth control. IMO, abortion should be used as a last-ditch effort in order to control birth. And some people don't believe in it, that's fine. It should be your choice to make, not some self-righteous politician's.

[Felch]

Osweld speaks for me in this thread.

For people who deny the humanity of an infant though . . . that's the weakest argument ever. In the future please try to base your justification on reality instead of your flat out wrong opinion.

[Spiffor]

I'm clearly pro-choice. Unwanted children have nearly no chance of having a good/happy childhood, a good development, a good future. IMO, it prevents much despair to happen, and it prevents many jailbaits, bums, or simply suicidal people to even exist.

Abortion is probably the greatest thing the 20est century brought to the world.

OTOH, I'm against death penatly. Once a human being is born, we have to find a room for him in our society. On the principle, I'm not completely opposed to DP for truly unrecyclable criminals, but it is impossible for a judicial system to judge truly if a criminal can be recycled or not. Hence, an efficient DP is not imaginable.