Pardon my asking, but has it suddenly become ok not to hire because one isn't gay?

[Zylka]

AHAHAHAHA

So I've been droping off resume's and talking to friends in finding a second goof around kind of job - and something rather ironic stuck out for three of the attempts so far.

-I was point blank told by my hairdresser that I would NOT be hired for any position simply because I'm not gay, despite the fact that the girls, flamers and I always have a fun time together in there
-I was point blank told by a dj friend who works at the bar that they would NOT hire me for any position (even beer server) simply because I was not gay. This is probably a good thing because I'd be roofied in about 10 minutes, judging from all the sordid man-hand ass grabs that come my way in gay friendly environments
-That's all I can remember

You know, I don't think it's a bad thing though, honestly. I guess if they have certain cultural priorities to be filled in these "positions", then so be it. It just seems a dangerous precedent for all businesses to go back to discriminatory hiring practises legally

[Pekka]

Nah, there's something else wrong with your resumes/you... they just broke it down more gently .

For example: 'you are over qualified', like there really is some logic in that?

'we just gave the job', means it's still open, but not for you.

'Thank you for your interest on our company. Unfortunately you were not lucky this time, but we will keep your contact information for the next openings', yeah sure they will, just so you won't start feeling bad about yourself. Probably only way they keep you in mind is to not ever hire you or ask you for another interview again. Ever.

'We are looking someone with more experience', this can be honest, or again making you feel better.

'We don't think you're the right man for the job', not that insulting but honest. I like this one.

'We're sorry, we're only hiring gay people'........ I don't know, they really don't want to you to ask again!
You could always go back next week and say 'hi guys.. I'm tried out some things and thought a lot last week.. I think I'm gay!'

[Zylka]

Oh man, I'm qualified to work at one bar but not another? And I'm not qualified to sit at a RECEPTION desk now?

Your sentiments are common sense... but these people absolutely love me - especially in the salon. Don't really know anyone at the bar, but I've been told I'm a fine piece of meat for big queer Bobys, and all bars are markets with meat on display, right?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Pekka
Nah, there's something else wrong with your resumes/you... they just broke it down more gently .

For example: 'you are over qualified', like that really is some logic in that?

There actually is some logic to it. If you are actually overqualified for a position, are you going to stay in that position? No, you're not. Potential employers know that, and don't want to hire somebody who is going to leave for a better job in a month. Then they have to advertise the position, set up interviews and so forth. Basically, one over-qualified person can cost a company thousands of dollars.

ACK!

[Pekka]

Well, if that's true, then I don't know.. maybe they really hire only gays? Could be.. why not..

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Tuberski


There actually is some logic to it. If you are actually overqualified for a position, are you going to stay in that position? No, you're not. Potential employers know that, and don't want to hire somebody who is going to leave for a better job in a month. Then they have to advertise the position, set up interviews and so forth. Basically, one over-qualified person can cost a company thousands of dollars.

ACK!

Well that's ok, but these are the kind of jobs that are learned in 2 days. There's nothing to be lost, it's not corporate big time

It's probably to promote a pure sassy gay environment for their patrons, but is that really ok?

[Pekka]

Tuberksi, Sure.. but it's still used more to avoid offending someone than being just honest.
I desperately tried to get a job last summer, I even applied for cleaning job, nights only. Now that really sucks. Only requirement was that I'd be able to speak Finnish. I called there, and they said 'We think you are overqualified'.. man, I have never ever done that job before, and I haven't had lots of working experience to begin with! I think what she meant to say was 'I'm sorry, you're native Finnish. This position is only for people who illegally entered this country and knows only 3 words'.
I was pissed.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Zylka


Well that's ok, but these are the kind of jobs that are learned in 2 days. There's nothing to be lost, it's not corporate big time

It's probably to promote a pure sassy gay environment for their patrons, but is that really ok?

Only if you are over-qualified......

ACK!

[Zkribbler]

Re: Pardon my asking, but has it suddenly become ok not to hire because one isn't gay?

Originally posted by Zylka
-I was point blank told by my hairdresser that I would NOT be hired for any position simply because I'm not gay, despite the fact that the girls, flamers and I always have a fun time together in there
-I was point blank told by a dj friend who works at the bar that they would NOT hire me for any position (even beer server) simply because I was not gay.

... It just seems a dangerous precedent for all businesses to go back to discriminatory hiring practises legally

It's ain't legal. And the people who spoke to you are really stupid. It is illegal to discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. Period.

The problem is alway proving it. Rarely are employers dumb enough to come right out and saying they're not hiring you because of discriminatory motives. If you're really ticked, see a lawyer. (And if you have a witness or two, that's even better.)

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Re: Pardon my asking, but has it suddenly become ok not to hire because one isn't gay?

Originally posted by Zkribbler


It's ain't legal. And the people who spoke to you are really stupid. It is illegal to discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. Period.

Period? That depends. May be the case up there in Can-odd-a, but here in the ol' USA, most states do NOT prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.

[Asher]

Why would you tell them you're straight?

You have impeccable fashion sense, let them assume you're gay!

[Pekka]

Besides I'm sure far more gay men have lost their jobs, or didn't get a job because they were gay and it was known..

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Pekka
Besides I'm sure far more gay men have lost their jobs, or didn't get a job because they were gay and it was known..

I came rather close to being outed today at work, as a matter of fact. Not that I think my firm would care too much, but the whole situation leaves a worse taste in my mouth than Asher di--er, um, I mean, it sucks harder than Starchi--uh, I mean, it isn't fun.

[Pekka]

[Zkribbler]

Re: Re: Re: Pardon my asking, but has it suddenly become ok not to hire because one isn't gay?

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
here in the ol' USA, most states do NOT prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Oops. I forgot that most of the U.S. is not as advanced as California.