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I hope they make him eat pork
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One tape, Jihad, contained the words: "So you go to India and if you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money, is that clear?"
Where is the line between freedom of speech and, uh, "soliciting murder?"
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One tape, Jihad, contained the words: "So you go to India and if you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money, is that clear?"
He also said it is permissible to use chemical weapons to kill unbelievers.
In a tape called Rules of Jihad, thought to have been made before September 11 Al-Faisal told his audience: "You have to learn how to shoot. You have to learn how to fly planes, drive tanks and you have to learn how to load your guns and to use missiles."
lets hope he goes down for a very long time
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Where is the line between freedom of speech and, uh, "soliciting murder?"
Easy.
"Soliciting murder" is when you tell people it's okay to commit murder. Free speech is when you tell people anything except that committing crimes is okay.
"Soliciting murder" is when you tell people it's okay to commit murder.
So Poly posters that say we should kill Saddam are guilty of 'soliciting murder'?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
"Soliciting murder" is when you tell people it's okay to commit murder. Free speech is when you tell people anything except that committing crimes is okay.
I wonder if the same is true in the U.S. AFAIK, it is illegal to encourage people to commit a specific crime (i.e., "Kill John Smith!"), but I don't know if it is illegal to encourage non-specific acts (i.e. "Kill Whitey!").
I wonder if the same is true in the U.S. AFAIK, it is illegal to encourage people to commit a specific crime (i.e., "Kill John Smith!"), but I don't know if it is illegal to encourage non-specific acts (i.e. "Kill Whitey!").
It certainly is here.
We also go too far, IMO and ban all speech that promotes hatred based on race, sex, etc.
"Soliciting murder" is when you tell people it's okay to commit murder.
So Poly posters that say we should kill Saddam are guilty of 'soliciting murder'?
I'd rather see Saddam taken care of by his own people. And I'd rather see him put on trial for crimes against humanity. That would end his "martyrdom" real quick. He and Noriega can be cellmates.
Boris, I agree that in the US, this guy would be allowed to say what he is saying because it is a non-specific crime he is advocating.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
"Soliciting murder" is when you tell people it's okay to commit murder. Free speech is when you tell people anything except that committing crimes is okay.
Are you saying that advocating criminal acts shouldn't be legally protected speech?
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Not to say that all speech advocating criminal acts should be legally protected, but this shouldn't automatically make speech non-protected.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
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