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Well said kman.
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We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln -
Oh, and here's just an excerpt from that CNN link:
August 25, 2002 - Philippine troops shoot dead a notorious leader kidnapping gang the Pentagon, rescuing a four-year-old girl and her nanny from a week-long captivityWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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The Filipino gov't is a bunch of thugs. But far more so are Abu Sayyaf, so I'm not sad to see them go, and I'm not sorry that US military force is being used against them (although I consider it an abuse of power to committ military force outside of Congressional initiative).
The real problem is telling how much of this force will be directed against commie and Moro seperatists (who have very legitimate grievences against the state), as we have tended to do in the past in terms of military "advisors.""Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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youre just giving them reasons now to come over and **** us up. if we dont meddle like we so often do we arent providing justifyable reasons for them to strike us. sure they may have been dancing aftern 9/11 but they werent responsible for it.
and when will it stop? soon we will be sending over 4,000 marines, then 10,000, and so on and so forth. for what? a corrupt filipino government."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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nah, this is an easy one. It would be just like taking out a militia here, except the militia here would put up a little bit better of a fight.Originally posted by MRT144
and when will it stop? soon we will be sending over 4,000 marines, then 10,000, and so on and so forth. for what? a corrupt filipino government."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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i pray that youre right. i pray that our servicemen dont rape a filipino woman. i pray that there will not be antiamerican sentiment caused by this. because if there is its another nation that has turned against us on the long list of countries."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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MRT144,
Trust me. I've spent a lot of time in the PI. The people will be gratefull."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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I will not shed a single tear for Abu Sayyaf, but does anybody here remember when the first marines went to Vietnam? They supposedly went there in support of a friendly government and the fight was supposed to be an easy one...
Now, the current situation on the Phillipines is different, but do we know exactly how different?"Politics is to say you are going to do one thing while you're actually planning to do someting else - and then you do neither."
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Totally different situation. Please, people, show some sense of nuance. Just because Vietnam had jungles and this country has jungles doesn't make them the same thing. This is a small band of kidnappers who don't have international support or a large population to draw from. They're proper ****ed.John Brown did nothing wrong.Comment
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The island they're headed for has four million people on it -- all muslim. This could be spun as another western crusade against a muslim (sub)state.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Well, good luck. The people there support the terrorists seperatists, whatever. The bad guys will vanish into the communities if things get too hot. That will leave marines on search and destroy missions hoping they get attacked so they can bring in the air force.
Derek is right, whatever happens the bastards have got it coming. Remember Mr Burnham the missionary, and nurse Yap, who was doing volunteer work in the Moslem community when she was taken.Long time member @ Apolyton
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Yay, a wrestling fan!To paraphrase Jon Cenna:
Abu Sayef and US Marine Corps are inmates.
AND ABU SAYEFF JUST DROPPED THE SOAP.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran SiddiquiComment
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This is in direct opposition to the Philippines constitution. But the government is already using the U.S. constitution for toilet paper, so why should I be surprised when they treat a foreign one the same way?
There will be days of rioting over this. The people in Manila may not like Abu Sayyaf, but they like the idea of being an American colony again even less. They protested the "training mission" we already had over there, do you think they will sit still for an open combat deployment?Comment
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That's why I said this should have been done while they had an American hostage. Much easier to justify in that instance.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Originally posted by Andrew1999
This is in direct opposition to the Philippines constitution. But the government is already using the U.S. constitution for toilet paper, so why should I be surprised when they treat a foreign one the same way?
There will be days of rioting over this. The people in Manila may not like Abu Sayyaf, but they like the idea of being an American colony again even less. They protested the "training mission" we already had over there, do you think they will sit still for an open combat deployment?
Another article I read said that it was illegal for other nations to undertake "unilateral" military operations. This will be in support of the Phillippine military."Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"
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