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  • 2,000 US Troops headed for Philippines -- "This is not an exercise"

    U.S. troops to fight in Philippines
    Eric Schmitt
    New York Times

    Published Feb. 21, 2003 PHIL21


    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The United States will send nearly 2,000 troops to the Philippines in the next few weeks to fight Muslim extremists in the southern part of the country, opening a new front in the fight against terrorism, Pentagon officials said Thursday.

    A six-month training mission in the Philippines last year limited 1,300 U.S. troops, including 160 special forces soldiers, to an advisory role. But this mission will be a combat operation with no such restrictions on U.S. and Philippine troops serving side by side, military officials said.

    Under the plan, about 750 ground troops, including 350 special operations forces, will conduct or support combat patrols in the jungles of Sulu Province. In addition, about 1,000 Marines, supported by Cobra attack helicopters and Harrier AV-8B attack planes, will stand ready aboard two ships offshore to act as a quick-response force and provide logistics and medical support. The first troops are expected to arrive within days, officials said. Maj. Gen. Joseph Weber, commander of the Third Marine Division, will lead the U.S. force.

    The operation will last as long as necessary "to disrupt and destroy" the estimated 250 members of the extremist group Abu Sayyaf, one official said.

    Philippine and U.S. officials said they agreed to begin the joint offensive now for several reasons. Negotiations between the countries have been on-going for months, but Abu Sayyaf's repeated attacks and the bombing death of an American Green Beret last November spurred Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to work out an aggressive plan.

    Dispatching U.S. commandos to the southern Philippines comes at a convenient moment for Pentagon officials, who have sought to show that the U.S. military can fight a war with Iraq and still carry out a global hunt for terrorists.

    Arroyo has walked a political tightrope at home on the sensitive issue of welcoming U.S. military help to defeat a deadly foe.

    The Philippine constitution prohibits foreign troops from carrying out unilateral combat missions, but U.S. forces will technically play a supporting role in the Philippine-led operation, a distinction that may allow Arroyo and her supporters to skirt the legal issue. "It's something they will have to finesse," a senior U.S. official said.

    The combat operation, which goes well beyond an ongoing set of training missions, reflects the Pentagon's growing concern that militant Islamic networks pose an increasing threat to Americans and U.S. interests in Southeast Asia.

    "The Philippines have a terrorist problem and we have offered our assistance," a senior Pentagon official said Thursday. "Over time, that assistance takes different shapes and forms. The Philippines have invited us to expand our role with them."
    The above article dosen't include the quote, which I heard on the radio and was attributed to a Pentagon source. This is in apparent contradiction to the Philippine constitution, and Arroyo's enemies may use this to bring her down, but she is supposed to step down next year anyway.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

  • #2
    She said recently that the Filipino military couldn't handle the rebels. There are only a few hundred of them. I think there might be loyalty issues in the army. Otherwise, I don't see why the Filipino army would not be able to take care of these guys.
    "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
    "All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
    "Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui

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    • #3
      Devil Dogs, go in and whoop the **** out of these bastards. I have no sympathy for any of them and they can all burn in hell as soon as the United States Marine Corps gets done filling them all full of ****ing holes. No ****ing mercy.

      Vile pieces of ****.

      About time they have a meeting with their maker.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #4
        This is very dangerous, but I support this.

        These guys are probably looking forward to some action. Yes the PC way is not to want to go to war. But I have talking to many marines in the navy. They like to see some action. I'm sure these spec ops guys are the same way.

        Dangerous going back to jungle warfare though. I wish them luck.

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        • #5
          I'm confident in them being able to handle the jungle.

          The scary part for me is the loyalty issues with the towns in that part of the Phillipines. One of the major networks sent a reporter there and he was escorted around one of the towns by army guards. He said that the rebels were most likely watching him the whole time he was there.

          These guys are fanatics but they can't hang with the Marines.
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ted Striker
            These guys are fanatics but they can't hang with the Marines.
            But the marines haven't seen any real combat, yet these guys live it day in and day out.
            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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            • #7
              You think kidnapping people and chopping their heads off with a machete is combat?!? These fools are no better than a bunch of rag-tag streetgangs.

              They are no match for the US Marine Corps. I know those Marines are dying to get in there and wipe the ****ing floor with these guys.




              Make no mistake about it, they are in for the fight of their lives.

              To paraphrase Jon Cenna:

              Abu Sayef and US Marine Corps are inmates.

              AND ABU SAYEFF JUST DROPPED THE SOAP.
              Last edited by Ted Striker; February 21, 2003, 01:40.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #8
                I support this...
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  These guys are fanatics but they can't hang with the Marines.
                  Wonder if this will end up like the last time we dealt with radical Muslims in thier in the 19th Century.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                  • #10
                    UR,

                    Real combat can not compare with the training our military gets. It seems hard to believe, but it's true.
                    "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
                    "All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
                    "Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui

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                    • #11
                      I don't even think you can call what those guys (Abu Sayef) have been doing is real combat anyway.
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DuncanK
                        UR,

                        Real combat can not compare with the training our military gets. It seems hard to believe, but it's true.
                        You don't die in a training, not supposedly anyway.
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                          But the marines haven't seen any real combat, yet these guys live it day in and day out.
                          It wont be a pushover, but i doubt marines will get bogged down... I cant help but have a twinge in the back of my mind tho when i htink of jungle warfare.. kinda scarry.

                          Only a few hundred of 'em tho, with no Ho Chi Min Trail or endless conscripted reinforcements. really, this and Vietnam are entirely 2 different situations, only sharing the jungle in common, so i guess i shouldbe able to rationalize my fear.
                          "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
                          - BLACKENED from America's Army: Operations
                          Kramerman - Creator and Author of The Epic Tale of Navalon in the Civ III Stories Forum

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                          • #14
                            This will be in and out I'm sure. This should ensure success. The dangerous part will be getting a chopper shot down.

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                            • #15
                              Good point kman and also these morons are isolated to a particular island within the Phillipines.

                              Put the stranglehold around them and choke their asses until they pop.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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