Horny, Lesbian, Japanese monkeys offer new challenge for Darwinists

[Urban Ranger]

No biggie. A number of primates also have certain hemosexual tendencies.

[Dinner]

So does my dog but then again he also tries to hump the sofa.

[Urban Ranger]

Dogs don't count

Bonobos

[Tolls]

"He argued that females are coy, mate rarely and choose mates to ensure the best genetic inheritance for their offspring"

Was this really a central tenet of Darwins? Or simply a generalisation?

"...the new findings suggest the theory (sexual selection) can be applied only to a portion of the animal kingdom."

...and I thought this had been known for a while.

[Urban Ranger]

That's not a central tenet. For parts of the animal kingdom, the females are bigger than the males.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Just when the darwinists were looking to defeat the creationists, they get attacked from the rear by the vicious japanese lesbian monkies, creating a two front war.....

One can only imagine how the creationist view their new ally.

[Jack the Bodiless]

How can the author claim that this is challenging "one of the central tenets of Charles Darwin"?

I've read Origin of Species, and I don't recall female coyness as a "central tenet".

The article also provides evolutionary explanations:

Males are often prompted into sexual intercourse only if they are first mounted by females. Dr Vasey said: "Female-male mounting in Japanese macaques is an adaptation that sexually motivated females employ to prompt sluggish or uninterested males to copulate with them."

He observed that the females gain pleasure from mounting males, often rubbing themselves against a male's back or stimulating themselves with their tails.

Dr Vasey said that once they evolved the capacity to mount males, they could gain the same sexual gratification from mounting females. "I see females competing for males all the time," he said. "I see males ignoring females that are desperate to copulate with them."

So the females evolved this male-stimulating behavior, then found that it was fun. This is no more mysterious than recreational non-reproductive sex in humans.

[mindseye]

I mentioned it before, but there's a great book that carefully catalogs all contemporary evidence of homosexuality among animals. It's a very large book.

Biological Exuberance, Bruce Bagemihl, PhD, St. Martin's press.

My favorite is the special form of "necking" which male giraffes only do with other male giraffes. Gets them so hot they usually end up "doing it" together.

Turns out a very wide array of mammals - it seems like most - engage in some sort of homosexual behavior, including child-rearing by same-sex couples (e.g. she-grizzlies, male black swans).

Seems like there is a correlation between intelligence and homosexual behavior - the more intelligent the species, the more it gets into homosexual behavior. Examples of mammals who really seem to enjoy it: porpoises, many kinds of whales, elephants, lions, cheetahs, wolves ... and of course, most primates.

Other notorious species include sea lions, american buffalo (many of whom never once mate with a female), and bighorn sheep (female bighorns stometimes must try to pass themselves off as young males in order to get some action).

All data is carefully documented (the author is a straight, married guy with kids). Great drawings and photos! The shot of two male gray whales going at it, only their members visible above the water, is memorable indeed.

[-=Vagrant=-]

This is proof for evolution! According to some creationists evolution leads to deviancy and immorality. Now we have the evidence!

[molly bloom]

Not so much a lesbian monkey, as a red herring.

All it shows is that Darwin was a man of his time- from a society that hypocritically expected grown women to lie back and think of England when engaging in sex, and yet also tolerated child prostitution, sado-masochistic bawdy houses and situational homosexuality- in the Royal Navy, in the Guards regiment (they supplemented meagre army pay by renting) and in public schools.
There was in fact a gay brothel next door to the Albany Street Barracks, maintained by a certain Mrs. Truman.

http://www.victorianlondon.org/ql/queenslondon321.htm

Many 19th century naturalists and biologists 'saw' what their upbringing educated them to see with regard to the sexual behaviour of wild animals. As Christianity decreed homosexuality was unnatural, it could not per force, exist in nature. Also, male-female animal pairings were given an anthropomorphic spin, with the ludicrously romantic notion of animals pairing for life (regardless of whether they did or not).

Observation is all.

[Hurricane]

In fact, the idea that all animals are heterosexual family-loving creatures is strong even today. Watch any nature program and wou'll see how their behaviour is put into a christian monogamic family-context.

[Jon Miller]

umm

monogamic families exist (And are common) outside of christianity

Jon miller

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Hurricane
In fact, the idea that all animals are heterosexual family-loving creatures is strong even today. Watch any nature program and wou'll see how their behaviour is put into a christian monogamic family-context.

British ones aren't like that. the're always showing how animals are ****ging evrything that moves

[Tolls]

"Watch any nature program..."

...apart from the ones about spiders, or insects...

[Tolls]

...or by David Attenborough...