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Right, but the more randomly a poll is conducted, doesn't that increase the chances of greater diversity among voters?
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Not really. If you think of diversity as the standard deviation of a sample, diversity would be maximized by choosing a nonrandom sample unless the distribution you're looking at is uniform, which is rarely the case."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Oh yes! look here we have an authentic democrat! If people think like me then we must respect democracy. If they don't think like me then all of them are wrong.Originally posted by Sava
Sloww, a great majority of that 71% are those "beer-swilling, NASCAR watching, mullet wearing wackos" Detroit Dave was talking about. I don't really give a sh1t what these people think.
Can you explain why your opinion is a lot more important than the opinion of all that people? Just because they don't think like you?And just because something is popular, or supported by the majority, doesn't make it right. Plus, polls are of small sample sizes and not even close to 0.01% of the total American population.
Go and meet Chirac, because he thinks exactly the same as you. France and Germany are the only EU countries oposing and then "Europe is divided". Does this mean that France and Germany are as important as all the other countries together?
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Originally posted by Velociryx
Obviously, DF and others believe that we should run the country on the basis of opinion polls, even if the whims of people are incredibly malleable.
We elect officials to speak for us. To make decisions on larger issues.
That's what they get paid to do.
If you disagree with the decisions they make, vote them out of office.
Pretty simple stuff.
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71% of whatever you want to call them still rules the roost.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Do you really think anyone wants to see innocent Iraqis killed Orange(besides Saddam)? That's why we're going to war, because we don't want to see any more killed.Originally posted by orange
Wow, that's scary. It's one thing to stand by and let it happen, it's another to get off your ass and support the mass destruction of another group of people....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Absolutely, Cal.
Not a thing against the Iraq people.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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A random sample would be only diverse as the society in which it is conducted. So, in theory, if a random sample of the U.S. is conducted, it's going to include about 60% white people, 11% Black people, 14% Hispanic, etc.Originally posted by MrFun
Right, but the more randomly a poll is conducted, doesn't that increase the chances of greater diversity among voters?
So really randomness and diversity of voters are somewhat interrelated?
Any poll that tried to get equal numbers of participants from each demographic would be woefully inaccurate for guaging actual public opinion.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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It's very difficult to get a truely random sample.
Phone. (even using raised digit to account for unlisted numbers) is biased against poor people, since they're more likely not to own phones.
Internet. Biased against poor people. (even worse than phone)
Face to face. Biased by the location of the interview.
Mail. Usually biased by the mailing list. Or the look of the mail piece.
Weighting the responses is the more respected method.
RAH
When we do country wide mail surveys, we randomly sample from a nationally balanced universe. But since we only balance the universe to 6 factors, (location,race,age,sex,income,household size), it's far from perfect. But better than most.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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I seeOriginally posted by Boris Godunov
A random sample would be only diverse as the society in which it is conducted. So, in theory, if a random sample of the U.S. is conducted, it's going to include about 60% white people, 11% Black people, 14% Hispanic, etc.
Any poll that tried to get equal numbers of participants from each demographic would be woefully inaccurate for guaging actual public opinion.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Of course, racial diversity is the only diversity that counts because everyone knows that people of the same race are all alike....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Originally posted by Caligastia
Of course, racial diversity is the only diversity that counts because everyone knows that people of the same race are all alike.
You people from New Zealand have strange ways of thinking.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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I guess you didn't recognise the sarcasm....oh well.Originally posted by MrFun
You people from New Zealand have strange ways of thinking.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Uh...if a poll breaks down the respondents by race, it will show, by race, who thinks what, ergo showing different opinions among and within the races...Originally posted by Caligastia
Of course, racial diversity is the only diversity that counts because everyone knows that people of the same race are all alike.
Anyway, rarely do polls conducted include a breakdown of race or other demographics of the respondants, unless such factors have a bearing on the issue at hand.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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I know, I just think it's funny that the same people who say race doesn't matter are the ones who trumpet the virtues of racial diversity the most.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Uh...if a poll breaks down the respondents by race, it will show, by race, who thinks what, ergo showing different opinions among and within the races...
Anyway, rarely do polls conducted include a breakdown of race or other demographics of the respondants, unless such factors have a bearing on the issue at hand.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Nice Cali... Turning it into a race thing once again... I am laughing so hard I think I peed my pants!
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