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i'm not that rational
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"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui -
Ramo,
I believe that Al Qaeda and Saddam will cooperate for no real reason other than it seems like they should, and I got a gut feeling. I'm against the war on terrorism in general, because I don't think it ever was a war on terror. It was just a war against everyone the US doesn't like.
Oh, and I don't believe that Al Qaeda would attack Iraq because Iraq is an enemy of the US. That would be counterproductive."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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You might have noticed that Al-Qaeda has goals other than attacking the US.
BTW, Saddam's main domestic enemy has always been another Islamist terrorist group, al-Daawa, which also has lots of American blood on its hands."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Domestic enemy. It is necessary for you to put the word 'domestic' before the word enemy. That is because Saddam's main enemy is US. Also Al Qaeda's main enemy is US. That's why there is reason for them to work together. Main enemy is a big diference from enemy when actions are to be determined."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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But, Saddam's main target is al-Daawa. He can attack them with impunity. He can't fart without the US coming down on him. Hence, it makes sense for him to attack al-Daawa. It makes absolutely no sense for him to attack the US (or aid al-Qaeda in doing so). At all. Period. End of debate.
But you missed my point. Al-Daawa is Islamist. It's been violently opposing the US for a long time; the US is most certainly its enemy. Just as al-Qaeda is as you pointed out. The assertion you posted implies that al-Daawa would help Saddam. Yet al-Daawa is most definitely staunchly anti-Saddam and has always been so. They've never worked together, and they certainly never will. Why do you believe al-Qaeda is any different when all evidence indicates otherwise?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Hussein's main enemy is the US government. Hussein has shown no real interest in killing Americans, except the ones bombing his country, and maybe possibly former President Bush (if we believe that story, which I don't, since it was given to use by the Kuwaitis).
Everyone keeps claiming Hussein wants to kill Americans, and yet there are plenty of Americans he could have killed in Iraq all along, more than ust the peace crowd types. There were plenty of American businessmen there, including Dick Cheney.
Hussein is a murderous thug, not a homocidal maniac. Thugs don't kill for pleasure, they kill for material reasons. Hussein would gain nothing by killing Americans, therefore he's not interested in killing Americans.
Let us assume, for the sake of argument, the Hussein wanted to give bio/chem weapons to terorists. Why hasn't he done so 'till now? He's had at least twelve years to give them such weapons. In the last four, no one was even looking while he could have been doing it. There are no intelligence reports saying it's happened. At best we have a leader of al-Qaeda receiving free medical care in Baghdad (medical care is free in Iraq) and supposed bio/chem warfare training of al-Qaeda operatives (an accusation made by one former Iraqi scientist). Hardly evidence of a close relationship.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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You two make good points."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Ahhh, I don't think Saddam "Human Shields" Hussein really gives a damn about making a distinction between US citizens and the US Government.
Speaking of stetching it, Chegitz.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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You should just leave it here, since you are letting the government do all your thinking for you.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Ahhh, I don't think
Since youare positing that Hussein wants to kill American civilians, you need to provide some evidence to support your theory. Can you point to a number of American civilians killed by Hussein? Can you point to any speeches where he said kill American civilians? Can you explain why he hasn't been killing American civilians in Iraq, since there are Americans there at any given time?
Of course you can''t. You just want to see pretty explosions.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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On the other hand, can you point to specific evidence that Saddam is specifically targeting the US government? Can you point to any speeches where he said kill the American government? Can you explain why he hasn't been killing American government officials in Iraq, since there are American officials there at any given time?
Of course you can't. You just want to believe in conspiracy theories.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
On the other hand, can you point to specific evidence that Saddam is specifically targeting the US government? Can you point to any speeches where he said kill the American government?
You're joking, right?
Considering Saddam has been railing against the U.S. government for the past 12 years, I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about!Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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So, provide me with some examples where he specifically asked for US Government workers to die.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Oh, and by the way, asking for examples of public speeches of Saddam asking for the death of americans is BS.
The second he says something like that in public, he knows people like Chegitz and Boris aren't going to be so quick to jump down his pants.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Killing US gov't workers would only hurt his authority vis a vis the US gov't's. It's not a particularly rational way to oppose the US.
I don't think anyone's asserting that he's trying to kill US officials. It would be nearly as stupid as killing US civilians."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Well chegitz says he has no interest in killing Americans, "except the ones who are bombing his country."
So, how do you magically separate the two?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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