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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Truth be known, Boris, and I say this with love in my heart Boris, is looking at this from an arrogant Earthling point-of-view.
Dodge the questions, as usual. Why would it be unethical to do something, even something to destructive, to an inanimate object that nobody created or owns?
And if you're so concerned with the fates of microbes, I assume you object to doctors curing diseases? Or walking and breathing, since those very actions kill micro-organisms all the time?
Hey, if you want to stop breathing to save the microbes, be my guest!
Originally posted by Grrr
* Grrr!! burns down Boris Godunov's house.
Oh ... but it doesn't matter that all your things are destroyed ... they're inanimate objects .
Read next time:
I have in my hand a glass. If I so chose, I could drop to the floor and smash it to a thousand pieces. Would that be unethical (assuming it's not anyone else's property)?
I think it's ethical to terraform Mars, and most likely practical as well.
On the other hand, it would be helpful to set up some sort of independent biolocigal survey team that goes in before the builders to identify life there.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Boris: I'm interested in Sloww's opinion that we should fix what we've fvcked up on Earth before fvcking up other worlds. Are we to be a scourge on the universe, trying to compensate for a fundamental human failing, rather than respectful of what has been created?
This is more a discussion point rather than a debating point. I'm interested in hearing what people think.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Unethical if there is specific lifeforms. A terraforming would kill them, and I doubt we could ever make reservations for them.
If we can preserve some specimens of these lifeforms, then I'd go for ethical, unless there is intelligent life on Mars (which seems very unlikely)
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Originally posted by DanS
Boris: I'm interested in Sloww's opinion that we should fix what we've fvcked up on Earth before fvcking up other worlds. Are we to be a scourge on the universe, trying to compensate for a fundamental human failing, rather than respectful of what has been created?
If Earth isn't beyond repair, then naturally we should be trying to fix it rather than just abandoning it. I don't see why terraforming Mars would preclude us from fixing things here. In fact, it may be part of the answer, as it would help solve the population problems arising around the world. If the human race is going to keep reproducing and increasing lifespans, we will need somewhere to expand, I imagine.
Why should we be respectful to a barren rock? Why is it not even more respectful to transform it into a planet teeming with life? Who are we respecting, anyway?
More to the point, if terraforming Mars were our ONLY hope, I doubt anyone would be objecting to attempting to terraform it for our use.
No, I would say it is not ethical because being able to terraform and colonize other planets means that we do not have to be responsible for the space we inhabit.
Also, I do not really think there is such a thing as a dead planet.
Dodge the questions, as usual. Why would it be unethical to do something, even something to destructive, to an inanimate object that nobody created or owns?
And if you're so concerned with the fates of microbes, I assume you object to doctors curing diseases? Or walking and breathing, since those very actions kill micro-organisms all the time?
Hey, if you want to stop breathing to save the microbes, be my guest!
This is directly related to other disagreements we have.
So, there is little chance we'll agree on this either.
Which is fine.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Originally posted by Osweld
No, I would say it is not ethical because being able to terraform and colonize other planets means that we do not have to be responsible for the space we inhabit.
By this logic, mankind shouldn't have ever roamed out of Central Africa. Expansion is a human necessity. We will have to go somewhere. Why not to a nearby neighbor where currently there isn't anything?
Also, I do not really think there is such a thing as a dead planet.
No, Boris. It's not a dodge.
You don't believe in God, I do.
You don't think that life is possible, I do.
That's all I'm saying.
Please, don't anyone report me to a Moderator, simply because I don't agree. This isn't to you specifically, Boris.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Yes, it would be ethical to terraform Mars, even if there were microbes. Mars doesn't recieve enough energy from the Sun to sustain a full-blown ecosystem, and those microbes have no future. Mars, for all intents and purposes, is a dead planet.
Were it a planet with a full biosphere without sentient beings, ala Earth 30,000,000 years ago, that'd be a different question. I somehow think it'd depend upon the planet and what was wrong with it. But, regardless of whether there's an active effort to terraform or we just plop down some settlers, I think Earth forms will still largely take over because they will have the support of the only sentient creatures on the planet.
By this logic, mankind shouldn't have ever roamed out of Central Africa.
Not neccisarily. But I'd agree with that, too.
Oh come on. Think about that and get back to us.
The universe is constantly changing, in ways far beyond human perception or comprehension. Earth once had no life, it now has life, and it will eventually have no life again. It will eventually deteriorate, and it's matter will form new stars, galaxies, planets, and new life. Terraforming and colonizing planets interferes with the workings of the universe. It is the galactic equivelant of cutting down rainforests and paving over swamps.
Boris: You're being a little strident in your posts. Again, this is meant to be an opinion survey thread, not a debating thread. That's why it's a poll.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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