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Originally posted by Eli
French news agency report. Do whatever you want with it.
Belgium-blast
BRUSSELS - 13:25 GMT
Several hurt in Belgian blast
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Not one shop has been burned .. that much i know ...
And as long as our officers don't shoot anybody in the streets because they are throwing rocks i think a little modesty of your part should suit you well...
Who said that?
Nobody is going to teach nobody. It's all in your head or in your over-sensitivity.
Don't you know that a person is innocent before proven guilty. To be sued does not mean to be guilty. Only the man of the street thinks that.
Or do you think this is only valid in your country? Are you that insulting?
We are the first to know that a commission about the behaviour of belgians (in congo, f.i.) done by belgians self is biased. All population was between laugh and shock. Should we deny the right of congolese to go to another independent court (if it exist), because "we, most virtuous people on earth, already have judge the case"?
Why would it be different in other countries?
hi ,
if you would care to read some of the other posts you would get some idea of who talked about teaching who , ....
lets see , boutmans , we should place a frigate in front of the coast of Tel - Aviv and send some exocets if they dont listen , ....
gallant , we should ban the Jews from living in belgium , .....
An attack against one is an attack against all, AFAIK, not if one attacks, all should join.
AFAIK, Turkey hasn't even decided if they will let US use their bases.
The only member that has been attacked is US the 11 sept 2001. It was not by a state, but by terrorist based in Afghanistan. We helped them (we still have soldiers there).
Today US want to attack Iraq. There is (was) no link between Bagdad and Al-Qaida (at least before US decide to attack Iraq. After, you know the say: the enemies of my enemies are my friends), so the war against Iraq is not justified by 11 sept., it is just a US war.
We didn't help during the Vietnam war, we didn't help UK in the Falkland.
Does that nake us bad allies?
hi ,
article four of the prime mandate of nato reads ; when a member feels there is a need to save guard its borders because , .... etc , ....
belgium signed it , point , its a justified call for help , they should not veto it like that , ....
I would hope they will be loyal to higher moral values than just a country. I hope that every citizen will be able to go against it's own country if that country is wrong (see Oskar Shindler).
I don't know if Belgium just has higher moral values , we just tried to. If it's proven we are wrong, I hope we will be able to admit it.
The post I replying to was saying the Diamond trade
in Belguim was Jewish and the Jewish people in Belguim
were Israeli and pull out of Belguim, if the court case
proceeded.
It was clearly nonsense and a slur on Belguim's citizens
was well as it's moral fibre.
I do however agree almost entirely with your post accept for the last paragraph.
Belguim does have higher moral values BECAUSE it
tries to. Actions speak louder that words.
NATO is a defensive organisation... if one of its members declares war on another country without prior consulting well ...
Besides, turkey has already a large part of its military present along its southern borders... you know, the kurds live there ...
And for another thing, a large part of the american reinforcements are being shipped to the gulf via Antwerp. As it is stipulated by the NATO treaty the Belgian governement gives free passage to these troops.
So we abide by nato's rules and we don't twist them into our advantage each time we have a political reason to do so.
if you would care to read some of the other posts you would get some idea of who talked about teaching who , ....
lets see , boutmans , we should place a frigate in front of the coast of Tel - Aviv and send some exocets if they dont listen , ....
gallant , we should ban the Jews from living in belgium , .....
etc , .... etc , ......
bye
Yes, I have read those part (a little too long, I've skipped some parts).
I still don't know what to think about it. Truth? Propaganda? Probably a little bit of both. Truth, but with only one point of view.
The opinion that Israel behave badly in occupied territory is widespread here, and ressurgence of anti-semitism is of course linked to it.
I would like to answer this longer and try to describe how it's difficult to keep his head cool between accusations of anti-semitism and anti-arabism, but I have no time. I still have to work (I'm at work: read is no problem, write takes more time).
See you monday.
The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.
I've read somewhere (cannot find the source), that France, Belgium and Germany didn't disagree on defending Turkey should it be attacked.
These 3 countries refused to send their troops now, unlike NATO4s plan, simply because Turkey isn't at war.
I would harshly oppose a parjuration of our word, but this disagreement is perfectly understandable : we do not think there is any threat from Iraq towards Turkey (which is consistent to our view from the beginning, that Iraq isn't a threat)
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if you would care to read some of the other posts you would get some idea of who talked about teaching who , ....
lets see , boutmans , we should place a frigate in front of the coast of Tel - Aviv and send some exocets if they dont listen , ....
gallant , we should ban the Jews from living in belgium , .....
etc , .... etc , ......
bye
sharon :
1) i hate palestinians : lets send some tanks over there and shoot the place up
2) one of the previous israeli governements signed a treaty about palestian autonomy, but hey, it was not me ...
i have to admit, action speeks louder than words ...
Originally posted by dannubis
NATO is a defensive organisation... if one of its members declares war on another country without prior consulting well ...
Besides, turkey has already a large part of its military present along its southern borders... you know, the kurds live there ...
And for another thing, a large part of the american reinforcements are being shipped to the gulf via Antwerp. As it is stipulated by the NATO treaty the Belgian governement gives free passage to these troops.
So we abide by nato's rules and we don't twist them into our advantage each time we have a political reason to do so.
hi ,
you talk like if turkey declared war first and then asked for help , .....
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