Fair Taxation

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MRT144
individuals as a whole arent charitable because of the idea that if you need help its because you somehow ****ed yourself over.

That's pure unadulterated crap.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Where did I mention "fairness"? That's a leftist term used to treat people differently under the law.

Actually "fairness" is a universal term meaning "tax anybody else but me!"

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Frogger
Almost as funny as thinking that capitalism benefits most people.

Shall we talk about the rising tide and boats again?

[KrazyHorse]

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[MRT144]

dinodoc, why do people not give to homeless people on the street? people arent inherently giving unless is benefits them, whether that be financial or emotional or spiritual. People dont see a return in helping those who are thought to be without hope.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MRT144
dinodoc, why do people not give to homeless people on the street?

Because they'd rather give to where it will do the most good, ie shelters, soup kitchens, etc.

edit: C Beast!

[MRT144]

now lets kick it up a notch, how do people give to the working poor? id love to see a study in conservative areas vs liberal areas in terms of amount of charity given to the working poor.

but i am happy that SF passed the care not cash inniative providing care, instead of 300 buck general assitance checks.

[Berzerker]

Actually "fairness" is a universal term meaning "tax anybody else but me!"

Hehe, tax that guy behind the tree.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by DuncanK
Mine was suppose to trickle down here in 1980 I think. I never got it.

Yes you did. Remember that stain in your pants from 1982?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Frogger


See loinie's post.

Charge 50% tax on furs and 0% tax on groceries

Hey, I can't afford synthetics, leave my fur affordable and warm! And if you've seen a low income neighborhood in the U.S. I think you'd have to come to the conclusion that cheaper groceries are not what these people need. Perhaps mandatory excercise.

[KrazyHorse]

Up here there's no tax on groceries, but full tax on soft drinks.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MRT144
individuals as a whole arent charitable because of the idea that if you need help its because you somehow ****ed yourself over. libertarianism is rampant through society already

Hey, I'm a libertarian who gives a lot of my money and time to help people. Aside from the mandatory funding for government bureaucrats and vote buying by the major parties, I help poor people in my community by feeding them, giving them a place to stay when the weather is cold, and a lot of free counseling, which believe it or not they actually come over to my house for (ie, they actually want it).

These experiences have shown me that we lose an immense amount by allowing government to create entitlements in our name with our money. The major problem with that is that no one owns the process. Not the bureaucrats who administer it, not the taxpayers who pay for it, and not the needy who see anything given to them by bureaucrats as something that they are owed, and have no incentive to move from a burden on society to a benefactor themselves.

Getting personally involved conversely changes these dynamics for the better. Poor people should be at least as humble as those who work to support them. People who are well off, or doing fine should not let their consciences doze lazily while assuming that because they pay taxes they've done their share to make the world a better place.

[Berzerker]

Sikander, that doesn't count. Charity and compassion can only be shown by wearing a smile as liberals steal your money to pay other liberals to steal the shirt off your back to clothe a poor liberal.

[Goingonit]

Liberals ARE the working poor.

In any survey of charity, you'll find the rich give a larger percentage of income as a whole because they have more disposable income.

I'm sick and tired of everybody badmouthing the rich about charity. Where would we be without Carnegies? Without Bill Gateses?

[Goingonit]

Also, as for groceries: prices are being artificially inflated by farms subsidies to a ridiculous extent.