Does the U.S. need to make a new global organization with like minded nations?

[Agathon]

The impression that the US saved anyone's "ass" is one that has credence only in the US and with Europeans who are trying to curry favour with the US.

Let's see. WW1 - turned up late, when most of the shouting was over.

WW2 - turned up late again after letting the Europeans go at each other for three years in the hope they would wear each other out and leave the US as the global boss.

Let's face it, the Russians were more help.

[Ned]

Originally posted by DuncanK
God, that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

In the way it is, but it is what happened. The US was pacifist in 1939-41. Roosevelt was the hawk, but he didn't have the American people behind him. Just prior to the Japanese attack, polls showed that 73% of Americans were opposed to getting involved in the war in Europe.

[DuncanK]

What?! Holy ****! We saved their ass from the Russians. The Russians were coming to get them. Are you aware of any of this?

[DuncanK]

Ned, I didn't say we were in a hurry to save their ass. I just said we saved thier ass. Can you blame us for doubting whether we should do it?

I'm a little pissed about this. We spilled our blood on that continent to liberate those ungratefull jerks. They have completely forgoten about it. I don't think these other guys are French, but they seem to be ignorant of things.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by DuncanK
What?! Holy ****! We saved their ass from the Russians. The Russians were coming to get them. Are you aware of any of this?

When were they at war with the Russians? The UK and
the USSR were allies before the US was pushed into WW2 by Japan.

The Russians never occupied any land without agreement with Britain. That is why they never entered Greece.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by DuncanK
I'm a little pissed about this. We spilled our blood on that continent to liberate those ungratefull jerks. They have completely forgoten about it. I don't think these other guys are French, but they seem to be ignorant of things.

Before you get "pissed" get your facts right.

You spilled your "blood" in Europe to defeat the Axis
after they attacked you.

Leave the Heroic rescuers role to the Commonwealth.

Edit: spelling

[DuncanK]

We didn't have to invade Europe. You even said yourself that the Russians could have taken the Germans by themselves. We didn't even invade Europe until the tide had turned on the Eastern front.

If you seriously believe that the USSR would not have 'liberated' all of Europe if we wouldn't have invaded Normandy you need more help than I'm willing to give you here.

Good day

[Ozz]

Originally posted by DuncanK
We didn't have to invade Europe. You even said yourself that the Russians could have taken the Germans by themselves. We didn't even invade Europe until the tide had turned on the Eastern front.

If you seriously believe that the USSR would not have 'liberated' all of Europe if we wouldn't have invaded Normandy you need more help than I'm willing to give you here.

Good day

We certainly did need to invade europe and Africa. The Russians would have had a much worse time with Rommel and the elite Africa Corps and Kelselring's ltalian Army in Russia. It was close as is.

The Russians would have lost if not for the British
Fighting and British and American supplies. (More
British supplies went to Russia until 1943 then US)

Anyways we're drifting.

Does the U.S. need to make a new global organization with like minded nations?

Yes, But I would hardly call The US and Israel a "global organization"

[Ned]

Originally posted by DuncanK
Ned, I didn't say we were in a hurry to save their ass. I just said we saved thier ass. Can you blame us for doubting whether we should do it?

I'm a little pissed about this. We spilled our blood on that continent to liberate those ungratefull jerks. They have completely forgoten about it. I don't think these other guys are French, but they seem to be ignorant of things.

Yeah, Ducan, I agree. We not only saved France twice from the Germans, but we saved the Germans from the Russians.

Now they stab us in the back. The stab of a friend who owes you is most unkind stab of all.

Et tu Brute?

[KrazyHorse]

Snooze. What a bunch of bull****.

The Commonwealth nations poured their blood out in hundreds of thousands from 1914 and 1939 onwards. You see us being self-righteous twits when the French do something we don't like and proclaim how we saved their ass in WWI&II?

In the case of WWII it was the self-evident right thing to do, and you should expect no reward other than ridding the world of Hitler. Your play on gratefulness for the sacrifices of your grandfathers is pathetic.

My grandfathers both served from 1940 onwards, giving up 5+ years of their life and facing danger in Italy, Britain and on the North Atlantic. But France doesn't owe me anything because of it.

[Alexander's Horse]

Maybe they could get some deck chairs off the Titanic for the first meeting of this proposed new grouping...

[Agathon]

Add China to the French, Russian and Germans.

What's the odds of a veto now?

[Alexander's Horse]

This new grouping could meet in a phone booth.

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Frogger
Snooze. What a bunch of bull****.

The Commonwealth nations poured their blood out in hundreds of thousands from 1914 and 1939 onwards. You see us being self-righteous twits when the French do something we don't like and proclaim how we saved their ass in WWI&II?

In the case of WWII it was the self-evident right thing to do, and you should expect no reward other than ridding the world of Hitler. Your play on gratefulness for the sacrifices of your grandfathers is pathetic.

My grandfathers both served from 1940 onwards, giving up 5+ years of their life and facing danger in Italy, Britain and on the North Atlantic. But France doesn't owe me anything because of it.

frogger, its not just a case of us being self-righteous. The French welcomed us with open arms when we liberated them and still as we helped rebuild their country. And that where it stoped. Almost to the second.

Look at their current actions. They aren't just saying they wont back us in the war. I have no problem with that. It's that they are working against us. That is some real bull**** right there.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Frogger
Snooze. What a bunch of bull****.

The Commonwealth nations poured their blood out in hundreds of thousands from 1914 and 1939 onwards. You see us being self-righteous twits when the French do something we don't like and proclaim how we saved their ass in WWI&II?

In the case of WWII it was the self-evident right thing to do, and you should expect no reward other than ridding the world of Hitler. Your play on gratefulness for the sacrifices of your grandfathers is pathetic.

My grandfathers both served from 1940 onwards, giving up 5+ years of their life and facing danger in Italy, Britain and on the North Atlantic. But France doesn't owe me anything because of it.

Frogger,

We really did not have to get involved in that war. Hitler did not attack us - we attacked him with lend lease and the Atantic Charter - coupled with an embargo of his ally Japan. Had Roosevelt not put the screws to Hitler and Tojo, we would never have gotten involved.

The French owe us.

We will remember how they repaid us.