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isn't that an AC/DC song or something? 
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i love ac/dc and yes it is, and thats where the US is leading us
"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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def leppard had a one armed drummer..."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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well this thread is rooted, just like US leadership at the moment.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?Comment
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I'm taking the 500th post in hopes of shutting this discussion up.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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They don't believe in either, they're just a byproduct of their system.Originally posted by DuncanK
Americans believe in classism and elitism. That's the bad part about indivildualism. Of course there is a good part about individualism. That is taking initiative etc.... I wasn't talking about that. That exists in all cultures.Comment
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Why do automatically presume that people who pass on their wealth to their children become elite? Hell, when my Dad died, my inheritance was his old clothes. Oh yeah, I'm an elite of my society now! Woo hoo!Originally posted by DuncanK
Why is it BS. Because you have gone on and on about how people work to advance in society and you just told me that your son should be in elite class while my son should be in working class because of who their parents were. If you don't see the Bull**** there only your political bias and your dollars are keeping you from seeing reality.Comment
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Then why would they support a class system?Originally posted by Willem
They don't believe in either, they're just a byproduct of their system."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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No, it's only classism if the general population has no opportunity of working their way up into the "elite" strata of society, when the socail lines are rigidly fixed. Just because someone isn't born into money in a capitalist system, doesn't mean that he/she can't aspire and attain as large a fortune as the "bluebloood" who's a product of several generations of money.Originally posted by DuncanK
How many lines of your decendants should be able to exploit the labor of my decendants? When does it become classism?
Your answer is, its already classism.Comment
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Well if that is your definiton of 'wealth'...Hell, when my Dad died, my inheritance was his old clothes. Oh yeah, I'm an elite of my society now! Woo hoo!Comment
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But even people whose parents are poor have a chance at a better life for themselves, they're social status at birth doesn't hinder them from aspiring to become more. Yes they might have to work harder than their wealthy counterparts, but it'd not an impossibilty. It might even give them an advantage since they're not about to take money for granted, as someone wealthier might, and so could make better decisions as to how to use it.Originally posted by DuncanK
I've already seen all this, and I've already answered all these questions.
Capitalism results in different classes of people. Which class you are born into is largly determined by which class your parents were in. Those are the facts. Deal with it.Comment
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Sadly, if ideas were not recycled in this thread it would have much shorter and I'm sure more people would have participated in it."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Where the hell is Ming?!?!
CASE CLOSED!
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Also, poor people who work their way up get book deals from major publishers which become best sellers. Think Angela's Ashes. (I'm being cynical, but it is true)
IF America had a rigid caste system
IF there was no way to work one's way up
IF America's elite gave the poor no social programs
THEN America would be a cold-hearted and ruthless culture, but all three of those stand.Comment
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