"It's All About Oil"

[DuncanK]

"In the end, it means US supremacy on oil." - Spiffor

I was looking for someone to write this. Duh! It doesn't matter if we buy Iraqi oil right now or not. By conquering Iraq we get more valuable negotiating chips in the oil market. No wonder almost everyone wants to keep the US from doing it. The French aren't as stupid as they like to make themselves appear.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DuncanK
By conquering Iraq we get more valuable negotiating chips in the oil market.

It's too expensive to do it for that reason. Besides we already control Canada.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I don't believe any second we'd go to war only because Saddam is an *******, it is pure propaganda for the public opinion

Believe it, because that is the reason for war. It has little, if anything, to do with oil.[...]It's kinda funny. Most Americans though, I believe, know [me bolding] that this war is because of Bush's hatred for Saddam and all he stands for.

Why didn't Bush begin to send troops as soon as he got to power, if all of this is a simple Vendetta between Bush and Hussein families ?
Also, I'm curious how anyone could know what's inside Bush's head, except Bush himself. We can only speculate and guesstimate. People knowing that war is led for noble reasons are utterly brainwashed IMHO.

[DuncanK]

The president doesn't have absolute power. In fact he has much much less power than people commonly believe that he has. This may or may not be Bush's plan, but it is obviously supported by other powerfull people.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DuncanK
The French aren't as stupid as they like to make themselves appear.

Sure, but our kickass diplomats are as clumsy as they appear. Our clumsy-extraordinaire president helps also to make us look stupid.
Had we a more competent leadership, I'm sure there wouldn't have been any axis of vassals.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why didn't Bush begin to send troops as soon as he got to power

Yeah, like that would have flown.

He is in a much better position now to do this than he was then, especially after the midterm election.

People knowing that war is led for noble reasons are utterly brainwashed IMHO.

You mean just like the people knowing the war is led for oil are utterly brainwashed?

[Spiffor]

Imran : absolutely. People who take it as a solid fact than "it is only about oil" without questioning this belief (or at least acknowledging it is a mere opinion) are brainwashed as well.
Most people I've seen here claiming it is about oil had some reasons to back their speculations, and except Paiktis, I don't think anyone here took it for a solid fact.

[DuncanK]

"It's too expensive to do it for that reason. Besides we already control Canada."

Oil is still a very significant commodity. Even if the war were 10 times as expensive it would still be worth it.

I'm still for the war. I wouldn't be if it were only for oil. We still have to remove Saddam, but we just get some spoils for it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

People who take it as a solid fact than "it is only about oil" without questioning this belief

But you never said that people knowing it is ONLY about noble reasons are brainwashed. You just said anyone that thinks there are noble reasons behind the action are brainwashed. Thus a person that thinks there is some noble reasons and some power politics, you'd consider brainwashed.

[Spiffor]

If you want to play with words Imran

I was referring to people knowing it was about noble beliefs (notice I originally bolded the word when I first answered to you). By "knowing", I mean "take as a solid fact".

I don't consider you are brainwashed if you think it is about noble reasons, but still acknowlledge this is your opinion (and hence acknowledge you can be wrong). I will consider you brainwashed if you consider it as a solid fact.

If most Americans know this war is caused by Bush hate for Saddam and everythin he stands for, this is very worrying for the free-spirit of the American population. Edit : fortunately, seeing the debates on these boards, I sure think the American opinion isn't that ignorant

[DuncanK]

First, I don't think that this war has anything to do with hate for Saddam. That would be too disgusting, even for the US.

Second, its Willem that thinks Americans are all brainwashed, not Spiffor.

[Spiffor]

DuncanK : don't get me wrong, I think there is a deliberate attempt to use massive propaganda to the US public, so that it agrees with everything the government says (hence the veeeeeery war-friendly coverage of Iraq in the big news networks)
However, I believe the Americans resisted this attempt to brainwash them, and I sure hope they'll continue to do so.

[DuncanK]

Right. I agree that we are somewhat hoodwinked. But Willem goes a mit overboard with the brainwash thing.

[Spiffor]

Yep. I guess many of us get overboard a bit these times

[Imran Siddiqui]

First, I don't think that this war has anything to do with hate for Saddam. That would be too disgusting, even for the US.

Not just hate for the person, but hate for what he represents and what he's done (and doing). Bush definetly does have personal animosity for Saddam, and if you do recall many were wondering when we were going to attack Iraq back in early 2001.