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Polls are stupid in this case. Since when do issue's of national security require majority approval? Wars are not driven by polls (atleast they shouldnt) or be prevented by them.
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Care to explain why Saudi Arabia isn't the target then ? They are the most active at financing terrorism and radical islamism, while Iraq remained wordly until very recently, and spent its money in traditional warfare rather than terrorism.Originally posted by jimmytrick
The purpose of the war with Iraq is to establish that nations cannot sponsor terrorism without facing direct confrontation with the US military. It's about establishing a deterrant. Now Bush can't come out and say that of course."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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aw come on...Originally posted by jimmytrick
I don't know what the world view of UN authority is but I am certain that Americans have never even considered the idea that the UN has any authority over the US. You would have to kill 200 million Americans before the US yielded to outside authority.
The purpose of the war with Iraq is to establish that nations cannot sponsor terrorism without facing direct confrontation with the US military. It's about establishing a deterrant. Now Bush can't come out and say that of course.
Saddam, in addition to his many other sins, sponsors terror by providing rewards for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. That, and the 9/11 attacks is really all that was needed to convince the Bush administration to remove Saddam. The rest of the talk is just window dressing.
the US sponsored
- saddam against iran
- the taliban against the soviets
- central american dictators
- and so on.
that's a lot worse than giving some dozen young men money for blowing themselves up.
damnit... you americans should get the proportions right. you can't blame someone for something where your leaders are no different.
and when will you get it, that 9/11 had NOTHING to do with saddam. the majority of the planes were saudis and jemenites, osama leader is a saudi. the cell organised themselves in germany and the US.
saddam may be a liar, a murderer and a war criminal but he did not have anything to do with the attacks.
stop watching propaganda and read some unbiased news...
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Did Powell's speech turn the tide so much ? I've read here the opposition to war in the US (strong and weak) was the majority in the US some weeks ago.
They weren't telling the truth. Don't think there has been a poll below 50% support for military action to remove Hussein for at least a decade, and the lowest support for military action to remove Hussein lately has been 57%. See question 7.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sabrewolf :
There is no such thing as unbiased news. The news in Europe ar as much anti-war as the news in the US are bloodthirsty.
DanS : very interesting link, thank you."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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I changed my mind about the war when I found out that they were planning on dropping Patriot Act II on us as soon as the war started. This news didn't really make the headlines, but it was on PBS and the back pages of some newspapers.
I wonder if this will make an overall difference on war support in the States. Not that it will matter much. The US has never mobilized troops like that and not used them."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
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Since Ming's gonna fry my ass extra crispy if I start a new thread, here's a new development:
Iraq has apparently some illegal missiles. They go 9 miles over the allowed range, whether it's with or without payload I don't know.
This is being touted by some as material breach, but the fact is that it was Iraq itself that informed the inspectors of the missiles.
So, if the above is true, Iraq might finally start cooperating properly, assuming that the US doesn't start playing games (I really hope they won't)."On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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According to the Israeli Channel one, Syria, Lebanon and the Hezbollah signed a secret agreement not to attack Israel during the war with Iraq in order to avoid an Israeli retaliation."Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.Comment
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If it is secret, how do you know about it?Originally posted by Eli
According to the Israeli Channel one, Syria, Lebanon and the Hezbollah signed a secret agreement not to attack Israel during the war with Iraq in order to avoid an Israeli retaliation.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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The question is, why has Iraq waited so long?
Why wasn't this reported in the report they have given in November?
Just because they give the inspectors a cookie, doesn't mean they are cooperating.Comment
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That's really reaching for an excuse Siro. So what should Saddam do now, when both withholding and surrendering information on weapons programs are punishable by war?"On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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Jaako : the whole point of the war is not Iraq disarming, even if it will be a side effect. The warmongering logic has begun, and it will not be stopped until its purpose is fulfilled.
The only way to avoid war would be for the American public opinion to be strongly against it. But we won't see this anytime soon."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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The war will start somewhere in the next week, it cannot be avoided anymore."Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.Comment
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Tarek Aziz : "We have no means to attack Israel""Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.Comment
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The only way to avoid war would be for the American public opinion to be strongly against it. But we won't see this anytime soon.
Yep.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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