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  • #1

    The Battle of Baghdad

    I'm very concerned about this upcoming battle. This is where the coalition tech edge will be the least. Basicly an army is going to have to dig another army out of a major city. In short, imagine you and a bunch of other guys with guns being sent in to a city to attack another bunch of guys with guns who have had months to dig in deep. Multiple lines of defense, hidden fire traps, mines, booby traps...and a population of unknown loyalties, many of whom will no doubt be sypathetic to their countrymen. Last I heard there are three republican guard divisions dug in within Baghdad, likely more.

    If the Iraqis fight, and the republican guard will fight, it will be...horrific.

    What really pisses me off is that in '91 George Bush Sr had an open road right into Baghdad. He apologised to Jr about leaving the job undone, but he can't feel sorry enough in my book. Now I know the politics at the time. The UN mandate was to throw the Iraqis out of Kuwait, but screw the UN. Now our young men have to go in there...

    May God help them.

    Be tough for them please, it's a rough fight that will happen, so support our troops. They're going to need it.

    Thoughts on the coming battle of Baghdad?
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  • #2
    helicopter borne invasion of the government areas. They won't go in like Stalingrad and Berlin
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    • #3
      I last longer in bed than the Iraqii army will last in battle.
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      • #4
        I concur, we should have not stopped at the Iraqi/Kuwaiti border in 91, but gone all the way to Baghdad and physically removed Saddam from power...now we're going to (most likely) have an uphill battle on our hands. (house-to-house searches)
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        • #5
          In best Megalomania voice. "We've Nuked them!".
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          • #6
            Isn't it actually normal for people to die in war ? Wait, only foreigners do, that's right

            I will not be sympathetic to US soldiers during the battle of Baghdad. The US government and most of the US population wants to go to war, so American mothers should be prepared to mourn their children, as much as Iraqi mothers.

            War is ugly. When you'll suffer from it in your family, maybe you'll understand why so many people are opposed to it.

            Sorry if I sound rude, but I hate the whole "land of the brave" speech, when the land of the brave is attacking defenseless countries with no losses. If the "land of the brave" loses thousands of young men who had a great potential in the future, maybe it'll understand what war is about.
            (Well, it understood for more than 15 years after Vietnam. Aren't Vietnam veterans opposed to the upcoming slaughter btw ?)
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            • #7
              Helicopter borne invasion, hmm doesn’t that sound a bit aka Somalia.

              Personaly I don’t think you yanks should be there and neither should us Brits. I like so many others have yet to hear any plausible shred of realistic evidence to support the so called WOMD or links with Al whatever they are called. Lets just hope your typical gun-ho red-neck attitude doesn’t end in 000’s of sons daughters, dads and moms coming back in body bags. Not to mention the civilian casualties! How many lives is your unilateral over-bearing self appointed, self serving foreign policy worth.

              The greatest risk to world peace is G W Bush.

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              • #8
                It will be the civilians that will have to take the punch as usual. The Iraqi regime will not give a rats ass about their own population and the US forces will be to preocupied keeping down their own body count for PR purposes.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Barley
                  Helicopter borne invasion, hmm doesn’t that sound a bit aka Somalia.

                  Personaly I don’t think you yanks should be there and neither should us Brits. I like so many others have yet to hear any plausible shred of realistic evidence to support the so called WOMD or links with Al whatever they are called. Lets just hope your typical gun-ho red-neck attitude doesn’t end in 000’s of sons daughters, dads and moms coming back in body bags. Not to mention the civilian casualties! How many lives is your unilateral over-bearing self appointed, self serving foreign policy worth.

                  The greatest risk to world peace is G W Bush.
                  It wouldn't be like Somalia. They would send in a divisons worth( or more) of troops in. It would be more like Op Market Garden, which very nearly worked against much superior opposition and without nearly the same amount of support available to the Americans
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                  • #10
                    We'll probably use the AirCav to take key points which we can easily defend and then we seige the city and starve out the resisters. Failing that I would rather see carpet bombing then house to house fighting.

                    I think this could occur in certain "hard points" in Baghdad like so: Psyop units start dropping leftlets saying "Surrender or you will get carpet bombed".
                    Those that surrender are treated well and those that don't surrender get carpet bombed. The next day Psyop sends the same message again and we repeat until the last hold outs surrender. This was the single most effective Psyop message in the Gulf war and ussually after the first round of bombing Iraqi soldiers got tired of seeing their friends killed and not being able to fight back.
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                    • #11
                      You want war? Besides your guns, planes and missiles, don't forget body bags. A lot of it. That simple. War is ugly, face it.

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                      • #12
                        Just remember this... For sure if you go into this unnecessary war we will all reap the wirlwind.

                        You didnt learn a thing from 9/11. I remember you Americans asking yourselves why other countries and people hated you so much that they would fly planes into your buildings.

                        Are you blind, cant you read? You have millions of Europeans, Brits (like me) telling you, you are wrong but you still dont listen.

                        Next time it will be a nuke in NY not a plane! and youll wonder why, well your about to start the biggest recruitment campaign for Al-Quieda so just think before you act! Why not embrace the world instead of trying to dictate its path?

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                        • #13
                          Tactically, the Iraqi's are in problems.

                          1) They won't have ANY air cover or resupply. Any plane or helo is going to be Allied.

                          2) They are at an insanely bad disadvantage in terms of armor... because of training, equipment and the effectiveness of Allied Anti-Material weaponry... like Hellfires from Apaches.

                          3) They cannot effectively utilize hardened cover... again... due to Allied ordinance.

                          4) The allies have effective night fighting equipment.

                          5) The allies will be able to resupply and reinforce.


                          Somalia was only Somalia, because the US troops were not permitted to use armor and their choice of air cover.

                          Bagdad will not be as fast as the desert... but it won't be *that* tough.

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                          • #14
                            While barley might be overdoing it, carpet bombings will not be good PR in the ME region. Well, it's not easy choice.

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                            • #15
                              The war will be over within 7 days, then all the anti war brigade will have to explain why they were wrong about evrything.
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