Are all races equal?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Boshko

The problem with talking about an "African" race is that there's more genetic diversity AMONG black Africans of different ethnic groups than between, say, whites and asians.

There are differences within all races.
Asians are certainly different. Not all whites are the same.

Physically there are differences in races; internally we all have basic wants and needs that make us pretty much the same.

[Jac de Molay]

It's quite simple, really. You take the Big-Bootied black mama and the Big-Legged black papa, let Big Mama Nature take it's course , and .....voila! Instant athlete!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by aaglo

The concept of different races is a fling of the past now.

Time to come out of your cocoon -- race is very much an issue in today's society, unfortunately.


I still say that race is never a factor in people's intelligence levels. Poverty and malnutrition, however, definitely affect intellectual development. But even those factors can be overcome by individuals.

[Dinner]

Personnally, I always thought the 10k race was much superior to the 100m dash. Oh... You're not talking about that kind of race... well... ahh... never mind then.

[molly bloom]

Race is an excuse for people who feel inferior or have a chip on their shoulder to look down on someone who is of a different appearance, or born elsewhere.

Look at the shining examples of the 'Aryan' master race in the Twentieth century- the stunning physical and intellectual sex gods Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler, and Heinrich Himmler. If there was ever a real standard for the Aryan Ubermensch, then those three never came near it. Same goes for the sewer dwelling Julius Streicher and plenty of the other self-proclaimed members of the 'master race'.

Which race in Pushkin's ancestry gave him the ability to create stunning literature? The Slav or the African? Maybe a whipser of Nordic, or possibly some stray Golden Horde D.N.A.? Which 'race' made Picasso an artist- a bit of Celt, or Visigoth, possibly a fragment of Latin, or Carthaginian, perhaps a smidgeon of Moor?

The stupidity of people banging on about separate 'races' without bothering to define what race is (or admitting it is an artificial human construction) is self-evident.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
All people pretty much suck equally.

Though Cali tends to suck more than others.

[Velociryx]

I think perhaps "tribe" is the word more closely associated with what you're examining. As has already been pointed out, with the extinction of the Neanderthal, there ceased to be more than one race of intelligent, tool making, tool using hominids on this planet.

Of course the word "tribe" carries with it a primitive ambience, and is generally frowned on by the cultural elite. They don't want to be in a tribe, they want their own race.

Truth hurts, and we, as a RACE, ain't all that and a bag of chips.

-=Vel=-

[Luk]

Of course there are differences between races.

I do not want to see on the scientific research on this matter, because after World War Two the Antropological science is not advancing because of liberal, and antifascist ideology, and science tend to be very changing.

I see the history, and see that White people, and specially European people created the best, expansionist civilization. They had average enviroment position among other civs/races and they managed to develop the best civilization.

We know that blacks are better sprinters, and there are lot differences in physicall things, so why we can not say that there is not difference in other psychical, and intelligence matters???? Only because Hitler masacred Jews????

Think people, you are against racial differences because Hitler was a murderer, and you do not want this to happen again... But it is only because of that, but the reality is different, and we are not equal.

[Velociryx]

Of course you don't want to see scientific evidence on the question posed, Luk....because it's not what you want to hear. The evidence provided stands counter to what you believe.

But that doesn't invalidate it.

-=Vel=-

[cavebear]

Originally posted by Luk

I see the history, and see that White people, and specially European people created the best, expansionist civilization. They had average enviroment position among other civs/races and they managed to develop the best civilization.

Read Jared Diamond's 'Guns, Germs, and Steel', and repeat that nonsense after you read it... You are exactly and utterly incorrect..

[cavebear]

Let's make a clear distinction between race and species, here. There is only one species of human on the planet, and we are essentially all the same physically, genetically, and in potential. Race is a less distinct concept, based more on superficial local adaptations to climate.

The very same people who left Africa as dark-skinned and black-haired people (for adaptive physical reasons) gradually became lighter-skinned lighter-haired people for equally adaptive physical reasons. And those people are exactly the same species of Homo sapiens that left Africa to spread into Asia and the Americas.

Anyone who continues to claim that the "races" are different physically (and physically includes the brain) are beneath contempt.

But if you want to argue that some *cultural* developments and more advantageous or disadventageous in this particular time, I'm in full agreement. Culture is not inherent in the physical human and it is astonishingly changeable.

"Racial" differences are the fool's defense. But cultural differences are real. I can discuss *that*.

[Velociryx]

....and that puts us into the discussion of tribalism....

-=Vel=-

[cavebear]

Originally posted by Luk
Of course there are differences between races.

I do not want to see on the scientific research on this matter, because after World War Two the Antropological science is not advancing because of liberal, and antifascist ideology, and science tend to be very changing.

I see the history, and see that White people, and specially European people created the best, expansionist civilization. They had average enviroment position among other civs/races and they managed to develop the best civilization.

We know that blacks are better sprinters, and there are lot differences in physicall things, so why we can not say that there is not difference in other psychical, and intelligence matters???? Only because Hitler masacred Jews????

Think people, you are against racial differences because Hitler was a murderer, and you do not want this to happen again... But it is only because of that, but the reality is different, and we are not equal.

I am astonished and both the breadth and depth of your ignorance of the humnan species. 50 years ago, you would have used the fact that most American professional athletes were white as proof of superiority. Today, you would use the relative preponderance of black athletes as proof of physical differences.

What part of the sociology of "opportunities for economic advancement" did you fail to understand?

Minorities have always used well-defined patterns to escape their cultural disadvantages. Minorities have passed through sports (Germans, Italians, Irish) on their way to general social acceptance. They have passed through ethnically-organized politics, they have passed through the police and fire departments on their way to general acceptance.

And you are against blacks doing the same thing? In 2100, your way of thinking is going to be considered as quaint and simplistic as shunning the Irish seems to us now.

Avaunt, Demon...

[Luk]

I belive in science, but this science which continue the pre-war development... Not in this science which is wrote because of political need.

I can not agree with those people who try very hard, despite the fact that it is very not logical, find a way to prove that races are equal. Almost all ideas we can prove, and if you think even about idea that sun is not shining, and start to think how to prove it, you will prove it

Over 50 years ago, the antropology, science about race was a normal type of science, almost all of independant antropological centers which was not under fascist influence accepted the fact, that races are not equal, and not equal not only in colour of the skin, but psychics, and physics. But after WWII this science stopped...

Cavebear - of course you can not say what I would say 50 years ago. Even in XIX century Gobineu wrote that Blacks people are more sensitive, and better in some physical things then whites. You know that Gobineu was a precursor of rascism.

But you will not cheat the history. Actecs, Mayans, Asians, Indians, some people in Africa, Middle East - all this civilizations had equal, or even better enviroment then Whites. But only we created the expansionist culture, and spread all over the world. It is history, history is hard to lie... But of course today many scientist try to explain that history is wrong, because they try to feat their ideology to history

We are different... It is matter of our conscience if we say that our differency is better or worser then others races (for example we are more inteligent then Blacks, more creatfull, and expansionist from Asians, but is this means we are not equal???? They are better from us in other things, Blacks in sports, Asians in mathematics, engineering etc.)

[Lancer]

All races ARE equal, it's just that some are more equal then others.