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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sir Ralph
    Well, I know that the German population is decreasing, so I'm not against immigration. This secures my pension.
    I was talking about the views of the population as a whole, it was you who brought up democracy
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    • #17
      Key points


      "All of us are bound by Security Council Resolution 1441, which was adopted unanimously."


      Unanimously - IE by France and Russia too. Any obejection by them now must be in terms of 1441, not on the basis of using inspections for containment, or a requirment for the US to show a smoking gun which were not in 1441. Its too late for France or the UNSC to go back on 1441.


      " Resolution 1441 is Saddam Hussein?s last chance to disarm using peaceful means."



      LAST CHANCE - no more new chances


      "The opportunity to avoid greater confrontation rests with him. Sadly this week the UN weapons inspectors have confirmed that his long-established pattern of deception, denial and non-compliance with UN Security Council resolutions is continuing."

      they didnt come right out and say "material breach" as UK has, but came pretty close.

      "Europe has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Indeed, they are the first victims of Iraq?s current brutal regime. "

      This will be a war for liberation, not colonialism or hegemony.


      "The United Nations Charter charges the Security Council with the task of preserving international peace and security. To do so, the Security Council must maintain its credibility by ensuring full compliance with its resolutions. We cannot allow a dictator to systematically violate those Resolutions. If they are not complied with, the Security Council will lose its credibility and world peace will suffer as a result. "

      Uh M. Chirac - are you really sure you want to take down the UNSC just to inconvenience the "hyperpower"?


      "We are confident that the Security Council will face up to its responsibilities."

      Damn straight!!!!

      "José María Aznar, Spain
      José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal
      Silvio Berlusconi, Italy
      Tony Blair, United Kingdom
      Václav Havel, Czech Republic
      Peter Medgyessy, Hungary
      Leszek Miller, Poland
      Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark"


      Note especially the voice of Mr. Havel.
      It would be interesting to have him in a room with Mr. Mandela and discuss international morality of this, no??
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      • #18
        The Franco-German position probably doesn't have that much to do with Iraq. It sounds more like the latest round of "Should Europe have a common defence/foreign policy led by France/Germany or should the EU countries each go their own way".

        There has been a bit of political infighting recently about enlarging the EU which has contributed to this.

        The crunch will come when the UN has to vote on explicitly authorising war on Iraq.
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        • #19
          The Franco-German position probably doesn't have that much to do with Iraq.

          Yep. That's why us USians are shaking our heads. We're getting slagged for internal EU divisions.
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          • #20
            Bush said in his State of The Union that it was going forward, no matter if the U.N. continues dragging feet.
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            • #21
              The french want a common foreign and defense policy only if they get to dominate it.

              You can bet any euro foreign ministry would ne in paris
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                Bush said in his State of The Union that it was going forward, no matter if the U.N. continues dragging feet.
                but it hink its unlikely we would with UK backing - and this statement makes it far easier for Blair to stay the course.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lord of the mark


                  but it hink its unlikely we would with UK backing - and this statement makes it far easier for Blair to stay the course.
                  should read - " i think it is unlikely we would without UK backing"
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                  • #24
                    There won't be enough forces in place for at least another month or so thus the inspection game will continue for at least that long and probably a few weeks longer.

                    After that it is the momment of truth for the U.N..
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by lord of the mark
                      "José María Aznar, Spain
                      José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal
                      Silvio Berlusconi, Italy
                      Tony Blair, United Kingdom
                      Václav Havel, Czech Republic
                      Peter Medgyessy, Hungary
                      Leszek Miller, Poland
                      Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark"


                      They're all basketcases on the US payroll, except Blair
                      who wants to preserve the UK-USA "special relationship".

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                      • #26
                        oh and chiraq and schroder are wonderful
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by lord of the mark
                          "José María Aznar, Spain
                          José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal
                          Silvio Berlusconi, Italy
                          Tony Blair, United Kingdom
                          Václav Havel, Czech Republic
                          Peter Medgyessy, Hungary
                          Leszek Miller, Poland
                          Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark"
                          EU countries that did not sign this:

                          *Sweden
                          *Finland
                          *Ireland
                          *Germany
                          *France
                          *Netherlands
                          *Belgium
                          *Luxemburg
                          *Austria
                          *Greece

                          Other European countries that did not sign:

                          *Iceland
                          *Norway
                          *Russia
                          *Estonia
                          *Latvia
                          *Lithuania
                          *Slovakia
                          *Slovenia
                          *Switzerland
                          *Liechtenstein
                          *Romania
                          *Bulgaria
                          *Belarus
                          *Ukraine
                          *FYROM
                          *Bosnia
                          *Croatia
                          *Yugoslavia
                          *Albania
                          *Turkey
                          *Any other I forgot

                          Yes, Germany and France are quite alone not to sign the statement
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                          • #28
                            one of the points in election campaign in hungary was that peter medgyessy, former secret service agent during communism (and current head of the socialist government) will be american lackey. those predictions were right. it does not say anything bad about americans (they should have lackeys too), it only shows how old habits die slowly and how servile attitude cannot be changed overnight

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
                              Other European countries that did not sign:
                              *Turkey
                              Turkey is already onboard. They didn't have to sign.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DinoDoc

                                Turkey is already onboard. They didn't have to sign.
                                they are out of europe anyway

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