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Originally posted by LaRusso
they are out of europe anyway
they are out of europe anyway
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That's a debate for another thread.
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not on a greek siteOriginally posted by DinoDoc
That's a debate for another thread.
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Oh, man! What are we to do without the backing and support of countries such as Luxemberg, Switzerland, or Iceland?Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
EU countries that did not sign this:
*Sweden
*Finland
*Ireland
*Germany
*France
*Netherlands
*Belgium
*Luxemburg
*Austria
*Greece
Other European countries that did not sign:
*Iceland
*Norway
*Russia
*Estonia
*Latvia
*Lithuania
*Slovakia
*Slovenia
*Switzerland
*Liechtenstein
*Romania
*Bulgaria
*Belarus
*Ukraine
*FYROM
*Bosnia
*Croatia
*Yugoslavia
*Albania
*Turkey
*Any other I forgot
Yes, Germany and France are quite alone not to sign the statement
Pack it up and let's go home. No chance of success now.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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i find it ironic that it's france saying that most of europe is us-dependent."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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swiss could kick danish ass any timeOriginally posted by SlowwHand
Oh, man! What are we to do without the backing and support of countries such as Luxemberg, Switzerland, or Iceland?
Pack it up and let's go home. No chance of success now.Comment
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THese other countries are NOT backing up Germany and France either.In da butt.
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we'll have to add france and germany to the axis of evil, after north korea and cuba and what have you."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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Do not underestimate the power of IcelandOriginally posted by SlowwHand
Oh, man! What are we to do without the backing and support of countries such as Luxemberg, Switzerland, or Iceland?
Pack it up and let's go home. No chance of success now.
Just wanted to show that there are actually some countries left in Europe besides those supporting US
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Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
EU countries that did not sign this:
*Sweden
*Finland
*Ireland
*Germany
*France
*Netherlands
*Belgium
*Luxemburg
*Austria
*Greece
Other European countries that did not sign:
*Iceland
*Norway
*Russia
*Estonia
*Latvia
*Lithuania
*Slovakia
*Slovenia
*Switzerland
*Liechtenstein
*Romania
*Bulgaria
*Belarus
*Ukraine
*FYROM
*Bosnia
*Croatia
*Yugoslavia
*Albania
*Turkey
*Any other I forgot
Yes, Germany and France are quite alone not to sign the statement
The only coutnry that was asked to sign and refused was the Netherlands - their PM has said he didnt sign because he wants to keep working towards a common European position.
Most of the coutnries you list are not Nato members.
Albania has made a seperate statement of support for the US posiition.
Current European opponents to imminent action in NATO are France, Germany, Belgium, Lux, Sweden, Finland, Greece. Havent heard Norway or Iceland positions either way."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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That article and the gaining of signees is an ingenious spin operation performed by Alastair Campbell.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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THat's great. Another reason to leave this dark and cold hell.In da butt.
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The knives are already out - one German pol called it the "march of the vassals" or something to that effect.Originally posted by Ozz
They're all basketcases on the US payroll, except Blair
who wants to preserve the UK-USA "special relationship".
Of course the German CSU said this showed how isolated Germany has become. OTOH the Danish left has criticized Rasmussen for breaking European unity.
Face it folks this came now because the French and Germans were so obnoxiopus last week, they've angered lots of folks besides the US."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Well, sure. They have those army knives.Originally posted by LaRusso
swiss could kick danish ass any timeLife is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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to most of this thread...
All European nations have independent foreign policies as of today. Italy, Spain, and Denmark are ruled by conservative governments, all of them more inclined towards the Bush world view. The Eastern Europeans want to use the US to balance against the weight of their bigger neighbors, and many of them also back a more conservative view of the ME. Blair in Britian seems to see this, much as Bush, as some crusade of Good vs. Evil.
Public opinion in all the Western European states, specially Italy and Spain, are decidedly agaisnt the war. If Elections were coming up in Spain and Italy, they would certainly not be part of this coolition.
So no, the support of these 8 states do not equal a validation of the Bush view, only that there are reasons for these 8 to go along, just as there are reasons for the other 10 EU states not to have signed up so quickly.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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What you say is probably true, except that Sweden (and Finland?) is not a member of NATOOriginally posted by lord of the mark
The only coutnry that was asked to sign and refused was the Netherlands - their PM has said he didnt sign because he wants to keep working towards a common European position.
Most of the coutnries you list are not Nato members.
Albania has made a seperate statement of support for the US posiition.
Current European opponents to imminent action in NATO are France, Germany, Belgium, Lux, Sweden, Finland, Greece. Havent heard Norway or Iceland positions either way.
Just to repeat my point: sure, most European countries want to get rid of Saddam, but many of us are not eager for more wars if it can be avoided. So far it seems like the main reason war can't be avoided is because Bush says so
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