Forget About Iraq. Best Be Looking Ahead.

[Ramo]

I'm willing to bet that in 10 or 20 years, Iran'll be relatively democratic. Iran has been making huge steps lately. Going to war with them would be an incredibly foolish thing.

[Pekka]

uh Clem, well maybe I was over reacting there .

But I do agree with Slowws first post. And I do believe that these countries know they will be in line of fire too some day, and are preparing for it and playing dumb.
That doesn't mean we need to surprise attack and pound them right now.. but you know, I'm just looking for work and all, so ..

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by uh Clem
Pekka: great satire.

I agree. Pekka, you should consider writing a novel on the topic.

[Pekka]

It was not 100% satire! Damn it!

[Pekka]

Besides, this is the biggest problem of the west. It's either underestimating or overestimating.
I don't want to hear it's impossible, damn it let's JUST DO IT! What are we waiting for? That these countries stops harboring terrorism and making evil plans and suddenly decides to put their effort to make the most beautiful flowers in the world and promoting love? Not gonna happen.
It's the craziest plan that will work after all.
But I have to say we must think about peace too, and what's going to happen after wars, so maybe my plan is not the best one, but I'm telling you it would work if we would just put our heads together and really make the ideas flow around the room.

But sure, let's give peace a chance first..

[SlowwHand]

I told people here well over a year ago that attention would be turned to Iraq.

Now I'm telling you, you better be looking ahead.
Or, go ahead and laugh, clown, laugh.

[Pekka]

Of course we're not laughing.. I mean, I do agree with your post. Most of the people are thinking Iraq is not the biggest problem, just something in the way before the real thing starts.

I'm always worrying about the quiet ones, not the loud ones, so I am wondering what China is thinking now, and some other countries too.

[MichaeltheGreat]

When the Congress puts through the appropriations to double the size of the US armed forces - four Marine divisions, 20 Army, and all the supporting pukes, then I'll be interested.

Otherwise, it's all delusion based on the notion that if we say "boo" the rest of the world will roll over and play dead.

A ten division Army and two divisions of Marines playing "let's conquer the world" is a ****ing joke.

Unless Rumsfeld's brilliant plan is to arm Kurd rebels and have them provide occupation security in Iraq, with the promise that they'll give back their guns and accept being a permanent minority without a homeland.

Or maybe it's that after an ex-Iraqi soldier promises he'll be good and says the pledge of allegiance, we'll give him his gun back and make him part of the occupation force, to free the US military to go invade someone else.

[Traianvs]

Oooooooh-kay...

right, let's all move our attention to North Korea, exactly at the time Mr George Warmonger Bush decides on going rampant in the Middle east, of course my good friend, that absolutely makes sense!


Maybe at the same time we could stop worrying about exhaust fumes and the like, because in the future we will use teleporters anyway so those old problems will be solved , so why don't we discuss about that...

good point slowwhand!

[SlowwHand]

MtG, you illustrate my point to perfection.
By the time you, and others, start "being interested", THAT will be a done deal, too.

And Trajan, you can keep making barbs at me, all you want; but you're wasting time.
You think I'm such a war-damned-monger, and here I am, trying to people to get interested, now.

You act like I'm the only one who has ever had anxieties over China.
I have a News Flash for you, I'm not all that much a paranoid.
You can count it as fact that if I've been anxious, others that make decisions, have had moments of anxiety.

That's cool. Just keep thinking I'm foaming at the mouth.
That will be your mistake, not mine.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
MtG, you illustrate my point to perfection.
By the time you, and others, start "being interested", THAT will be a done deal, too.

Why sure, sloww - Bush is surely going to put a $400 billion a year increase in the military budget to recruit and equip a force of that size within the next 5 years. We've got a booming economy, huge budget surpluses, and highly qualifies people just waiting to enlist, but turned away in droves by the present limits. And we've got spare bases just sitting there ready to accomodate those new divisions.

They must have some really good homegrown down there in Texas.

[SlowwHand]

Not really. I'm a man of vision, and the rest of the world is wearing bifocals.

[lord of the mark]

we dont need to invade iran. I think everyone knows that. The Iranian regime is teetering right now. The establishment of an Iraqi model, a base for propoganda, and a base for containing and Iranian aggression or support for terrorism should be enough to tilt the balance in Iran. Maybe.

[SlowwHand]

Where did I say "invade Iran" ?
I said, set up democracy there. As in, that's on the agenda.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Not really. I'm a man of vision, and the rest of the world is wearing bifocals.

Oh, you're having visions all right...