An Unnecessary War? (Long)

[KrazyHorse]

Warmonger.

[Capt Dizle]

Imran is giving Che a shellacking.

[uh Clem]

And that whole crap about the US being the only country ever to use nukes .

Yeah, reality sucks sometimes, don't it.

[Sava]

A lot of people don't seem to know anything about the history of the USSR and the reason they didn't simply go back to Moscow after pushing all the way to Berlin. Too much anti-communist propaganda is the cause...

1. Russia just pushed the Nazis back. They lost nearly 20 million people in the war. A lot of ignorant people don't seem to realize the sacrifice Russia made.

2. Russia had constantly been invaded and attacked from imperial forces from the West. The US had constantly been meddling in the internal affairs of the Soviet Union ever since the Russian Revolution. Russia could not trust the US. And after losing 20 million people, they weren't about to simply let their guard down. If Russia pulled back to their original borders, you can bet your ass the US would have lined their border with forces. Eastern Europe was a buffer zone.

3. In terms of starting wars and installing or supporting brutal dictatorships, the US wins by far. The US supported the Taliban, Iraq, Iran, Pinochet in Chile, Manuel Noriega, Panama rebels, the list goes on...

You guys seem to be suffering from "my sh1t don't stink" syndrome. Che is right here, and it's disappointing that no one is informed enough to realize it.

[Panag]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Romania and Bulgaria weren't invaded by the USSR nor did they invade anyone. Vietnam was fully justified in its invasion of the South and of Cambodia. It still doesn't come close to the number of wars initiated by the United States. The USSR hardly had the free reign you claim.

Unless you're talking about WWII, in which case I can say the US invaded Morroco, Algeria, Tunia, Italy, France, Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Germany and Austria (and I'll ignore Asia). My, what an evil aggressive country we were in throwing the Nazis out. Gosh darn those damn Commies for driving all the way to Berlin.

hi ,

ahem , it might be intresting for you to look on some maps from those days ones in a while , ....

the US invading those countries , ....

they liberated them

have a nice day

[RGBVideo]

2. Russia had constantly been invaded and attacked from imperial forces from the West. The US had constantly been meddling in the internal affairs of the Soviet Union ever since the Russian Revolution. Russia could not trust the US. And after losing 20 million people, they weren't about to simply let their guard down. If Russia pulled back to their original borders, you can bet your ass the US would have lined their border with forces. Eastern Europe was a buffer zone.

Umm... why continue this policy for 40 years, even after USSR had nukes?

[Panag]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes, the US is the only country ever to have used such weapons on another country and it is the only country ever to threaten to use such weapons on another country (and has done so consistantly with ever set of hostilities since the end of WWII).

We are the only country that cannot be trusted with these weapons.

hi ,

huh , reading a newspaper ones in a while would give you the facts that ; china has issued warnings to even the US they would use WMD against forces that would help Taiwan in case the chinese would reclaim the territory , .... pakistan has talked about the same , libiya has done so , the ussr , algeria (!) , iraq , iran , kazachstan (!) , syria , egypt , etc , ........

well at least the US is the only country to have used nuke's on a large scale , they have yet to ues them against some of the people who live inside the US , unlike one mr saddam who has used WMD , including injecting prisoners of war with plutonium and plutonium dioxide , ......

have a nice day

[uh Clem]

well at least the US is the only country to have used nuke's on a large scale , they have yet to ues them against some of the people who live inside the US

Hmmm, like the atmospheric tests of the 40s & 50s...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu

Umm... why continue this policy for 40 years, even after USSR had nukes?

Fear. In that 40 years, the US built over 20,000 nuclear weapons... I'd be scared, I don't know about you...

[Sava]

Let me make this clear, I don't think the US has necessarily "invaded" the countries in Western Europe. They simply kept a strong military presence there (and continue to do so). The US did not need to invade and hold any countries. They have two huge oceans protecting them from a surface attack. And since WW2, they've had massive aerial and naval superiority. Don't think that this makes the US military involvement and it's foreign policy any better than the ground occuption of Eastern bloc countries by the Soviets, though. The US simply didn't need to conquer any countries to create a buffer zone from a Soviet ground invasion.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Sava
Fear. In that 40 years, the US built over 20,000 nuclear weapons... I'd be scared, I don't know about you...

"and then Chickenlittle said the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

[Sava]

Originally posted by Oerdin


"and then Chickenlittle said the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

That's a very asinine statement considering the history of the Cold War. I'm sure a lot of people that actually lived and experienced the Cold War would feel quite offended. A lot of people actually thought the world was coming to an end. Obviously, you're not old enough to appreciate the gravity of those past events. The Cuban missile crisis scared people. Fear of nuclear war and the possibility of nuclear war were very real things. I remember my mother telling me about in the 1960's Chicago White Sox won the pennant and Mayor Daley sounded the air raid sirens. A lot of people thought that there was a nuclear attack. My grandmother was especially scared. She lived through many Nazi bombings and came to the United States after living through the horrors of war. I don't remember if you're an American or not, but your callous attitude exemplifies classic American ignorance (no offense). You obviouly don't have any respect or understanding of what it's like to be under the threat of war.

Sorry for this, it's early; I'm at my 8 AM class and I didn't get to have any coffee this morning

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Sava
Let me make this clear, I don't think the US has necessarily "invaded" the countries in Western Europe. They simply kept a strong military presence there (and continue to do so). The US did not need to invade and hold any countries. They have two huge oceans protecting them from a surface attack. And since WW2, they've had massive aerial and naval superiority. Don't think that this makes the US military involvement and it's foreign policy any better than the ground occuption of Eastern bloc countries by the Soviets, though. The US simply didn't need to conquer any countries to create a buffer zone from a Soviet ground invasion.

You apparently are willing to go to any length to justify Soviet policies. Well, its transparent and we don't buy it.

[Arrian]

We are the only country that cannot be trusted with these weapons

Che, the factual part (US only nation to use nukes) is fine, but this is extreme hyberbole. If a democracy cannot be trusted with nukes, no one can. I'm of the opinion that no one can. Unfortunately, there ain't no closin' pandora's box (at least not anytime soon).

Great article, Dino.

Sava, you're hopeless.

-Arrian

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Sava
Snip rant

Believe it or not I am actually old enough to remember a good portion of the cold war and I grew up in a city which was on the Soviets first order targets list. I'll give you a hint of where it was; the U.S. Pacific fleet is headquartered there.

BTW I still contend that the children's fable which was alluded to might prove a good leason for you about the dangers of over reacting.