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  • Bush says he will declassify intelligence proving Iraqi has WoMD.

    Here's an article from CNN saying that next week Bush will declassify CIA intelligence showing Iraq still has WoMD and is actively hiding them.

    U.S. planning to release intelligence on Iraq
    British official Straw says Iraq in 'material breach'


    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration is likely to declassify intelligence as early as next week that it says shows that senior Iraqi officials have been working to conceal weapons and evidence of weapons programs from United Nations weapons inspectors, administration officials said.

    The information includes satellite photographs and "intercepts," according to one of the officials, who declined to be more specific. (Full story)

    Word of the impending offer of proof came hours after top U.N. inspectors sought a few more months' "investment in peace," even though their report to the Security Council stated that Baghdad was resisting U.N. efforts to verify its disarmament.

    President Bush is expected to lay out his case against Iraq in his State of the Union address Tuesday. He will not call for war but will make it clear that the United States and its allies are prepared for military action, officials said. (Full story)

    The Pentagon said Monday that the U.S. military will be ready by mid- to late February to quickly go to war if the president gives the order.

    Officials also said that if Iraq were to make an aggressive move before then, the United States could respond instantly, but any action might be limited to strikes by fighters, bombers and cruise missiles.

    In an interview Monday, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz promised that Iraq will try to cooperate more with U.N. weapons inspectors -- but said he could not rule out a strike on Kuwait in the event of a U.S.-led military attack. (Full story)

    And on Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said Iraq is in "material breach" of the U.N. Security Council resolution requiring it to disclose all weapons of mass destruction. (Full story)

    Powell: Not much more time for Iraq to disarm
    Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence revealed photographic evidence gathered in recent days that Iraqi forces have moved an increasing number of hand-held surface-to-air missile launchers and anti-aircraft artillery pieces into key locations in and around the capital, Baghdad.

    CNN has been told the imagery shows launch sites on civilian buildings and other areas the United States would hesitate to strike. This has been a key Iraqi tactic for years, but it has been stepped up in anticipation of a U.S. strike.

    U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell warned Monday that there was "not much more time" for Iraq to verify that it has complied with a U.N. resolution to disarm.

    "The issue is not how much more time the inspectors need to search in the dark, it is how much more time Iraq should be given to turn on the lights and come clean," Powell said. (Transcript)

    Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the Security Council that Iraq was resisting international efforts to ensure it disarms, but inspectors should have more time to complete their work.

    Blix said Iraq has failed to account for a wide range of chemical and biological weapons and missiles. He said there is "strong evidence" that Iraq maintained quantities of anthrax after it claimed to have destroyed its stocks.

    ElBaradei said his inspectors had been unable to verify whether Iraq has an active nuclear weapons program. But he urged Security Council members to let the inspection process "run its natural course." (Transcript)

    Iraq denies it has weapons of mass destruction. Iraqi leaders insist the United States is looking for an excuse to launch a war to dominate the region and steal Iraqi oil.

    The Security Council's 15 member nations will hold closed-door discussions on Blix and ElBaradei's report Wednesday and will discuss the next step.

    CNN correspondents John King, Barbara Starr and Andrea Koppel contributed to this report.
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  • #2
    About time, if they have proof it's time yo show it. If this turns out to be wrong Bush must rethink his strategy, if the US is right they at least have a point.

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    • #3
      CNN has been told the imagery shows launch sites on civilian buildings and other areas the United States would hesitate to strike. This has been a key Iraqi tactic for years, but it has been stepped up in anticipation of a U.S. strike.
      I bet the leftists will still try to blame the U.S. and Britain when they knock out these missile sites. Why don't Muslim countries respect human life as much as everyone else?

      The Iraqis & Taliban were constinently putting military equipment around civilian and religious sites just hoping civilians would be killed so they could score propaganda points with gullible young leftists. TV is full of images of Palestinian parents celebrating after the teenage son blow himself up and killed a school bus full of children. This is disgusting and perverse in the extreme.
      Last edited by Dinner; January 28, 2003, 09:56.
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      • #4
        I have no problems with airstrikes against missile targets. And don't paint all leftists with a broad stroke. I've said before that I have no problem with Iraq getting its ass kicked if in fact they have nukes. If it turns out they've helped terrorists, or planned to distribute WMD's, then I'll be the first one to say "bomb Saddam". But I don't trust the Bush administration one bit. And I am against going to war just on the whim of a politician and his administration that's trying to distract the American people from domestic issues. *cough* the economy *cough*

        I suspect this intelligence will be bland, generalized garbilygook; and not the hard evidence that Bush says he has. My theory is that Bush is just going to be pointing the finger at Iraq saying they are the ones that must come up with the proof.

        If I had a direct line to Bush, I'd say something along the lines of, "You say Iraq has WMD's... prove it! Show me some evidence. You say Saddam is lying when he says he doesn't have any WMD... well, show me the money Mr. President."
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5


          about the time, what was the point of all those silly games up to now anyway?

          He should have come up with the threat of doing that straight 1yr ago, and should have come up with the evidence when that "UK evidence" (that did nothing but speculate.) was shown, or at least when Saddam filled his 12000 pages report.
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          • #6
            Sava: I call a spade a spade when I see one. The people who protest when things like this happens are always leftists. Mark my words; when the Iraqis put a missile battery on top of a school and the U.S. blows the missile battery up the leftist protesters will come out of the wood work saying "The evil U.S. is intentionally trying to kill children! I saw it on Iraqi TV!".

            They did it when the Taliban turned Mosques into weapons depots, they did it when Saddam put women and children as human shields in his WoMD factories, and they'll do it again this time around.
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            • #7
              I hope it's some damn good evidence because the Administrations has done little more than foment fear in making a case for a preemptive war.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sava
                I have no problems with airstrikes against missile targets. And don't paint all leftists with a broad stroke. I've said before that I have no problem with Iraq getting its ass kicked if in fact they have nukes. If it turns out they've helped terrorists, or planned to distribute WMD's, then I'll be the first one to say "bomb Saddam". But I don't trust the Bush administration one bit. And I am against going to war just on the whim of a politician and his administration that's trying to distract the American people from domestic issues. *cough* the economy *cough*

                I suspect this intelligence will be bland, generalized garbilygook; and not the hard evidence that Bush says he has. My theory is that Bush is just going to be pointing the finger at Iraq saying they are the ones that must come up with the proof.

                If I had a direct line to Bush, I'd say something along the lines of, "You say Iraq has WMD's... prove it! Show me some evidence. You say Saddam is lying when he says he doesn't have any WMD... well, show me the money Mr. President."
                What about the economy? I'm too worried about the war.
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                • #9
                  Impressive...Bush lets everyone get worked up and sees which allies are good and which are ****, knowing all along that he has the evidence in hand to slap em all back into line.
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                  • #10
                    Of course there has been the evidience which several Iraqi defectors provided back in 1998. They we're part of Saddam's weapons program and they defected with harddrives full of Iraqi documents and papers detailing Iraq's on going weapons programs and how they were going about hiding them.

                    Iraq has been saying that all of its weapons were destroyed in 1991 but how could that be if we have evidience that shows they were still with us in 1998? Either Saddam is lieing or all of our evidience to the contrary from 1991 to the present is wrong. Forgive me if I find Saddam's claims to be suspect.

                    So the real question becomes do people not want to look at the evidience because they are afraid of what they will have to do because of it?
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                    • #11
                      I am not holding my breath.

                      After Ashcroft failed to extradite a Pakistini from the UK, it becomes very difficult to believe that the W. admin actually has all sorts of alleged evidence.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sava

                        I suspect this intelligence will be bland, generalized garbilygook; and not the hard evidence that Bush says he has. My theory is that Bush is just going to be pointing the finger at Iraq saying they are the ones that must come up with the proof.
                        This attitude is why we have not shown evidence.

                        Our best evidence comes from human intelligence sources. That is spies. That is Iraqi military officers who have turned to our side and are "agents in place" ie moles - providing info. You tell the world what they have provided us and Saddam will check back to see who had access, to find the mole. The mole will die. (and his family too) When this gets out, who will want to provide info to the US any time in the future - in Iraq or anywhere else???

                        And yet moles will die, compromising US intell for years, to provide info thats likely to dismissed by many anyway.

                        What they will release will probably be limited, therefore, since they want to do minimal damage to sources and methods. Probably some aerial photog evidence that Saddam moves stuff out of sites just before the inspectors arrive. Will that be enough for you????
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                        • #13
                          It's very difficult to get any western European country to extrodite suspects to the U.S. because the U.S. uses capital punishment and the EU doesn't.
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                          • #14
                            If they have such great evidence, then why haven't they pointed the inspectors to where they "know" NBC weapons are being stored?

                            Answer: their evidence is full of crap.

                            W's gonna trot out some crap from 1994 in a little dog-and-pony show to rally support, everybody's going to ignore him and his administration will claim that it's presented a decisive case and refuse to answer any further questions on the subject.

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                            • #15
                              Even if I grant you that, why did the US have all sorts of difficulties in convincing Western countries, particularly France and Germany, that Iraq has CBN weapons?
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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