Iraq training children to soldiers

[Sonic]

Azazel, sure. Stalin killed 25'000'000 people (ordered these killings). Hitler killed some 5 or 10 million less. This is not counting people died because of bad economic conditions, which could raise Stalin's number up to 35'000'000. Those stats are without WW2 casualties. In most times wrong statistics are given, with attributing all WW2 casualties to Hitler, while in fact both states were equally responsible for signing the pact. Also, many casualties of WW2 had nothing to do with neither Hitler neither Stalin (Hiroshima and Pearl Harbor for example). Thus it is better to count casualties without WW2.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sonic
Azazel, sure. Stalin killed 25'000'000 people (ordered these killings).

Those who've studied the archives put the deaths attributable to Stalin in the single digit millions, including famine, execution, and dying in prison.

Hitler killed some 5 or 10 million less.

Hitler created a system which murdered 10 million people and started a war which murdered 50 million. Even the largest estimates of Stalin's murder are only half as much.

[Shi Huangdi]

Chegitz: The global hegemony this is why it is important to not let Saddam get Nukes. In order to be able to fight the war on Terrorism, we need to have hegemony over the Middle East to respond to whatever may occur there unhindered.

[Sonic]

Of course dying in prisons should count for Stalin. Or otherwise dying in concentration camps wouldn't count to Hitler also. Stalin's prisons were actually worse than concentration camps, they were built in places where temperature falls to -50 C and -60 C and weren't heated.

Yes, Hitler murdered 10 million and that is much less than Stalin's death count. Again, both sides were responsible for war and some more countries also were (Japan as an example, which attacked USA and also USA itself for dropping nuke, etc. Also, UK, for bombarding undefended German cities like Dresden. All war casualties should be divided on partyicipated nations by number of people they killed, probably only civilians should be counted since killing soldiers is a normal ting in war).

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sonic
Stalin's prisons were actually worse than concentration camps, they were built in places where temperature falls to -50 C and -60 C and weren't heated.

Wrong, most people left the gulag system alive. Only during the world war did large numbers of prisoners die, and that's because the USSR's resources were stretched to the breaking point. When people in Leningrad are reduced to eating corpses, no tears will be shed for thieves and murderers in prison.

Yes, Hitler murdered 10 million

No, you mathless fool, he killed SIXTY MILLION! Ten million in camps, fifty million by war. 10,000,000 + 50,000,000 = 60,000,000.

and that is much less than Stalin's death count.

Most whacko estimates of Stalin's deaths, 30,000,000. 30,000,000 !> 60,000,000. Where did you learn math? Educated estimates of Stalin's death toll is under ten million for all sources. For executions alone it's less than a million.

[Sonic]

So you chegitz can't count, re-read two times what I said about WW2 in both posts.

[Sonic]

The opinion that the starter of war is responsible for ALL deaths is absolutely wrong. That would mean that if USA would now declare war on Iraq and Saddam would use chemical weapons somewhere in New York killing like 100'000 people, Bush would be responsible for that...

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If the US were facing an invasion of overwhelming odds, that we had no chance of winning, anyone who was capable of holding a gun and aiming would be trained to do so while we still had time. As inneffective as twelve year old children are, there are times when you sacrifice everything. We'd do it. I see no reason to excoriate the Iraqis for doing the same.

In an ideal world, children would never be soldiers. In an ideal world, the US wouldn't be preparing to invade Iraq.

I don't believe this for a second, even though that is exactly what happened in the Mel Gibson movie the Patriot.

[Japher]

???

We are already trained to use a gun the minute you can hold it. Didn't they teach you that in high school? Weird... I always why the guy teaching the class had a shaved head, smoked, and told us not to tell anyone about his "little secret". Anyway...

I like the idea of making the kids fight, maybe not with the guns. This idea is better then the "put the leaders of the nations in a ring and let them duke it out". Maybe it could be a dodgeball competition or something. If not, I say we round up those kids from N. Idaho who held off the cops with their attack dogs.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Same situation? Our 12 year olds already have guns in their hands. I've had a gun since I was 6.

Oh, wait, not all of you are from the Oklahoma-Texas area are you?

Nope, the poor lot of 'em sure aint

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sonic
So you chegitz can't count, re-read two times what I said about WW2 in both posts.

Hitler is responsible for the bombing Germany. If he hadn't started the war then we wouldn't have needed to bomb Germany in order to defeat it.

If Hussein somehow managed to smuggle chem weapons into NYC and they somehow managed to kill as many people as you state, it would be slightly different, as it would have no outcome on the the war. A terrorist attack on the US would not deter nor nor harm the US's ability to make war upon Iraq. However, since the event would not have occurred if Bush hadn't decided he wanted to invaded Iraq, he would indeed be responsible for the deaths of those New Yorkers killed by Hussein's chem attack.

[Panag]

Re: Iraq training children to soldiers

Originally posted by Pekka
I read about this today, or yesterday. I even have a picture of it, but I don't know how to post a picture.

What do you think of this? These kids were 12 years old. Now, this is NOT a sign to NOT attack. This is sign to attack fast! What kind of a leader puts its own children to front lines? A leader who needs to be changed, pronto.

hi ,

come to the middle east , ..... most totalirian regimes in the arab world do it , ...

have a nice day

[Kramerman]

Young kids can fight tenaciously if they want. And if it's in defense of their country, I bet they will.

that is unfortunate for the poor chums... going up against superbly trained, heavily armed, body armored US crack troops, but I agree with MtG. Afer they see their little friends get blown away, they will run off and cry and hide before too many are killed. sad. no child should have to fight and die. And whats more sad is Saddam is gonna exploit it first chance he gets, "The americans are slaughtering our children! The evil american bastards...".

He is such a ****hole

[Ming]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

And Ming, what an asinine comment...this is a thread specifically about the war, so why shouldn't I express my opinion that I don't support the war? Duuuuuhhhhh!

Gee, what a stupid and ignorant response

If you had bothered to read my response instead of just doing your typical non thinking knee jerk reaction, you would see that the point was that are other threads where you can specifically talk about whether the war is right or not. And that this thread is about a different subject.

So next time... read

[Panag]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Sonic
Stalin's prisons were actually worse than concentration camps, they were built in places where temperature falls to -50 C and -60 C and weren't heated.

Wrong, most people left the gulag system alive. Only during the world war did large numbers of prisoners die, and that's because the USSR's resources were stretched to the breaking point. When people in Leningrad are reduced to eating corpses, no tears will be shed for thieves and murderers in prison.

Yes, Hitler murdered 10 million

No, you mathless fool, he killed SIXTY MILLION! Ten million in camps, fifty million by war. 10,000,000 + 50,000,000 = 60,000,000.

and that is much less than Stalin's death count.

Most whacko estimates of Stalin's deaths, 30,000,000. 30,000,000 !> 60,000,000. Where did you learn math? Educated estimates of Stalin's death toll is under ten million for all sources. For executions alone it's less than a million.

hi ,

according to the former KGB its more , .....

have a nice day