Nintendo To Release New Console

[Drake Tungsten]

Smilebit has some AWESOME graphics programmers though.

All the Sega development teams are awesome graphics programmers. I'd rank AM2 and Sonic Team above Smilebit, actually.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
All the Sega development teams are awesome graphics programmers. I'd rank AM2 and Sonic Team above Smilebit, actually.

I didn't much care for Shenmue or Sonic Adventures graphically...

Shenmue was pretty good, 'specially for the DC, but they had over a year to spruce up Shenmue II for the Xbox and it looks like ass.

[Drake Tungsten]

How about actually TRYING to eliminate it. Dont use stupid names (Mario "Sunshine"), dont use cartoony graphics (Celda), and dont release anything of that sort.

You still haven't explained how to make a "mature" Mario game. Is Nintendo just supposed to abandon all of their franchises that can be labeled "kiddy"? How exactly are they supposed to make money that way?

[Asher]

I don't think Nintendo can do much of anything to escape the "kiddie" image.

ED and Metroid Prime didn't dent the kiddie image.

Nintendo's pretty much tagged with that for the rest of its life.

[Asher]

I have to hand it to the new management so far.

I guess the 14% marketshare numbers in December in the US scared them a little.

So now starting in February you get 1 free game with purchase.
They're launching a "Player's Choice" series with games like SSBM for $29.99

It's about time somebody *****slapped them and wake them up.

[Drake Tungsten]

Shenmue was pretty good, 'specially for the DC, but they had over a year to spruce up Shenmue II for the Xbox and it looks like ass.

Let's not speak of Shenmue II...

Virtua Fighter 4 is a good example of AM2 at the height of their skill.

[Nubclear]

Yep, I gotta agree with Asher. Nintendo has basically sealed its own fate here....

[Drake Tungsten]

Nintendo has basically sealed its own fate here....

How did Nintendo seal its fate? Its not their fault that the gaming public suddenly thinks that Mario is too "kiddie" to enjoy anymore. Nintendo has been screwed by factors beyond their control.

[faded glory]

Not another stupid console war

*cover ears*

naaaaaanananananaaaa

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Its not their fault that the gaming public suddenly thinks that Mario is too "kiddie" to enjoy anymore. Nintendo has been screwed by factors beyond their control.

And they had NO part in it, right?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
How did Nintendo seal its fate?

I don't think they've sealed their fate. Nintendo still posts profits, I think they will for many years to come, it just won't be as big of a force as it once was in the market place. It's sliding sideways in a market that's growing at record levels, and the PS2 and Xbox are conquering the new territory...

It's not necessarily bad, Nintendo's just made itself a niche company with some boneheaded decisions.

Its not their fault that the gaming public suddenly thinks that Mario is too "kiddie" to enjoy anymore. Nintendo has been screwed by factors beyond their control.

Nintendo hasn't necessarily been screwed by factors beyond their control. They've facilitated it in many ways.

Remember when they got the blood removed from Mortal Kombat for the system?
They launched the Gamecube with purple as the main color.
They're strongly associated with Pokemon.
They named the latest Mario game "Super Mario Sunshine".
etc.

[Drake Tungsten]

And they had NO part in it, right?

I'm sorry, you are right. Nintendo should've foresaw in the '80's that the franchises they were creating (Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda) would be viewed as childish 20 years later. How shortsighted of them...

They're strongly associated with Pokemon.

MS would pimp the hell out of Pokemon if they had it; it's a cash cow. I think the fact that Nintendo hasn't released a Pokemon game on the Gamecube yet shows how they've tried to lose the kiddy label. But since it hasn't worked, they might as well break out the Pokemon games and make as much cash off this generation as possible.

[Asher]

Another problem is Nintendo seems hesitant or incapable of creating killer franchises anymore.

They're relying on rehashes and trying to innovate in games (Metroid Prime) with an old franchise. Many players are put off by that kind of thing...

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

And they had NO part in it, right?

I'm sorry, you are right. Nintendo should've foresaw in the '80's that the franchises they were creating (Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda) would be viewed as childish 20 years later. How shortsighted of them...

Oh please. As Asher has pointed out, Nintendo hasn't exactly avoided it. It IS possible to keep kiddy games without a kiddy system HOWEVER...Nintendo has completly failed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Asher
Remember when they got the blood removed from Mortal Kombat for the system?

That was stupid. I'll agree with you on this point.

They launched the Gamecube with purple as the main color.

Now you're just being picky.

They're strongly associated with Pokemon.

So? What would you do with a cash cow of such proportions?