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  • "Math HARD," says Italians

    Math 'phobia' is introduced into equation An Italian court lets a girl's failing grade slide. Educators say that doesn't compute.

    By Eric J. Lyman
    USA TODAY

    ROME -- Skipping an entire math course with a note from a doctor may strike mathphobes as the ultimate fantasy. Now an Italian court has decreed that fantasy a reality.

    In a landmark case recently argued before the Tar, a regional court that deals with social matters, Viviana, a high school junior at the Da Vinci school in the northern Italian city of Trento, won the right to start her final year of school despite a failing grade in math. Usually, failing a subject would mean having to repeat a grade.

    Her defense? Her lawyers said she has an ''irreversible psychological pathology'' -- basically, math phobia -- a condition the court determined made it impossible for her to study and master the subject.

    Some Italian educators say the court's decision could set a precedent that would allow students to skip studies they find too difficult.

    Most details about Viviana, including her family name, have been kept private. But the records show that she is a good student in most areas aside from mathematics and that her studies focused on letters rather than science, where math would have been more important. On the Italian 10-point grading scale, she scored a 7 to 9 in all of her courses except math, in which she scored a 3. A score of at least 6 is necessary to pass any subject.

    Unless, of course, courts rule that the student has a psychological pathology against the subject.

    According to Italian legal experts, the court ruling was not without merit. Aldo Sandulli, a law professor at the University of Urbino who reviewed the case, says the court's decision takes into account a variety of factors, including the opinions of expert psychologists, the student's grades in other courses and the alternatives available. Furthermore, he says, the court's decision was only a recommendation; it left the final decision up to the school.

    ''It is not as clear-cut as it might seem because this is complicated: For example, the student has done well in other areas, and (mathematics) is not an area of emphasis for her,'' Sandulli says. ''The court had to weigh the grave loss of a year of school against other factors.''

    But some educators viewed the case in a harsher light.

    Anna Ferraris, a developmental psychologist with Rome's Sapienza University, says that although it is true that certain students can have an unusually hard time with specific subject areas, letting students pass a grade without mastering a core subject was a less-than-ideal solution, and the fact that the Tar agreed to rule on the case presented its own set of problems.

    ''On one hand, it worries me that the court rather than the school has made a public decision in this case,'' Ferraris says. ''And on the other hand, the decision supports a kind of stigma surrounding students who are held back a year. Educators should stress that just because a student repeats a grade, it doesn't mean that the student isn't smart.

    ''Then there's the problem that if this sets a precedent, then students in the future may claim some kind of pathology against other subjects, like history or science.''

    In the USA, educators are equally critical of the decision.

    Johnny Lott, president of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, says the school should have tried putting Viviana in a substitute course such as economics, computer science or physics that might have been easier for her while still maintaining what he called the ''intellectual honesty'' of the curriculum.

    ''Students should be taking more math classes, not fewer,'' Lott says. ''If a student has some kind of block against math, that means the school should try harder to reach that student; simply allowing the student to pass without a sufficient score in math is not an alternative I can recommend.

    ''We all need a certain amount of math literacy to function in the world, and that must come from the schools.''
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  • #2
    * Grrr!! <- Math/English/Science/etc Phobic

    GIVE ME A PASSING GRADE GODDAMNIT.
    Grrr | Pieter Lootsma | Hamilton, NZ | grrr@orcon.net.nz
    Waikato University, Hamilton.

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    • #3
      Italians "say", not "says"
      "mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem"
      Drake Tungsten
      "get contacts, get a haircut, get better clothes, and lose some weight"
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      • #4
        She's a legend and a goddess
        I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

        Asher on molly bloom

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        • #5
          That said, in order to function in the world, you do need a working knowledge of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Beyond that can be useful, but is not necessary, imo.
          "mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem"
          Drake Tungsten
          "get contacts, get a haircut, get better clothes, and lose some weight"
          Albert Speer

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          • #6
            Please explain me the benefits of knowing what's the result of x+y
            I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

            Asher on molly bloom

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            • #7
              Originally posted by monolith94
              That said, in order to function in the world, you do need a working knowledge of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Beyond that can be useful, but is not necessary, imo.
              ... or knowledge on how to operate a calculator.

              BTW ... who's the girl in the painting in your avatar?
              Grrr | Pieter Lootsma | Hamilton, NZ | grrr@orcon.net.nz
              Waikato University, Hamilton.

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              • #8
                Ooh, I have math phobia! And science phobia too. Not to mention foreign language phobia.

                Ah **** it. Lemme just take nothing but history and government courses!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Datajack Franit
                  Please explain me the benefits of knowing what's the result of x+y
                  Truly you aren't serious?

                  I hope she is mercilessly teased.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Datajack Franit
                    Please explain me the benefits of knowing what's the result of x+y
                    Yeah, because mathematics doesn't play a major role in everyone here....

                    For one thing, you wouldn't be using your computer if it weren't for mathematics.
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                    • #11
                      I'm suprised the U.S. didn't come up with this.

                      We are falling behind the rest of the world with new ideas!

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                      • #12
                        I absolutely loathe Math. But I still fought my way through high school, got passing grades in Calculus and Physics (very good grades in everything else), and since then I've left them behind for a long, long time.

                        A pity, since my old man loved Math, but whatever....

                        That girl's just plain weak, spoiled, and/or lazy.
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                        • #13
                          most girls hate math. They should be banned from it

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by monolith94
                            Italians "say", not "says"
                            You want to remove an "s" whilst I want him to add one (to "Maths")
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Edan
                              For one thing, you wouldn't be using your computer if it weren't for mathematics.
                              That doesn't mean he needs math, just the people who built it. All he needs to know to use a computer is how to turn it on and click with the mouse and type. Math skills don't apply.

                              But I'd love to take him out to dinner and then settle the bill with him...
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