UN Inspectors Find Empty Chemical Warheads

[Harovan]

I recently found in our kitchen a glass of poison. It was empty, but I begin to suspect, that my wife wants to kill me!

[Drake Tungsten]

I recently found in our kitchen a glass of poison. It was empty, but I begin to suspect, that my wife wants to kill me!

Has your wife poisoned thousands of Kurds and Iranians in the past? If so, your fears are probably justified...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Has your wife poisoned thousands of Kurds and Iranians in the past? If so, your fears are probably justified...

No, she isn't turkish. So I'm probably safe.

[Drake Tungsten]

A German making racist assaults on Turks? I expect nothing less.

[Harovan]

It must clearly have been a racial slur, I apologize. An US ally like Turkey can never be guilty of having commited mass murder on Kurds.

[Drake Tungsten]

An US ally like Turkey can never be guilty of having commited mass murder on Kurds.

Exactly. The United States is the perfect fount from which all the world's peace and prosperity flows. May our benevolent light shine on the world for ever and ever. Amen.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
It must clearly have been a racial slur, I apologize. An US ally like Turkey can never be guilty of having commited mass murder on Kurds.

A German talking about mass murder? It's a good thing we kicked your asses before you slid the entire population of Europe into those ovens. But anyway, at least we still have troops there to occupy your country.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by GP
A German talking about mass murder? It's a good thing we kicked your asses before you slid the entire population of Europe into those ovens.

At least I know and don't disclaim the crimes committed by my country in the past and do not try to justify them and to find lame excuses for the war crimes committed in Dresden, Hiroshima, Vietnam and so forth like you propaganda infested yanks do.

But anyway, at least we still have troops there to occupy your country.

We all know this. That's all what your country is about. Hopefully the alliance against you grows in the future.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You forgot Sudan.

And Ivory Coast.

But Zaire is the nastiest.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by GP
Actually...if you read THE HOT ZONE, they mention some possibilites of strains being occasionaly airborne. And if you read The Cobra Event (by Preston) he discusses the possibility of taking a bug and tweaking it to make it airborne.

Yes, there is a strain called Ebola-Reston that is airborne, but it does not infect humans.

It might be theoretically possible to tweak a bug, or maybe not, depending on the genetics.

[Arrian]

Hopefully the alliance against you grows in the future

Now, SR, despite being trolled first, that was a nasty thing to say.

-Arrian

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Arrian
Now, SR, despite being trolled first, that was a nasty thing to say.

It was a counter troll, no less and no more. But it contains a grain of truth, considering the breathtaking speed your president turns his last allies in enemies and raises anti-americanism everywhere. This generation has nothing to fear, but if your country continues with its present foreign policy, the next generation will see the US being hated throughout the world. That is not a nice feeling, I assure you. I know it, I'm a German.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


At least I know and don't disclaim the crimes committed by my country in the past and do not try to justify them and to find lame excuses for the war crimes committed in Dresden, Hiroshima, Vietnam and so forth like you propaganda infested yanks do.

Have fun stoking the furnace.

We all know this. That's all what your country is about. Hopefully the alliance against you grows in the future.

You cry when we're there. You cry when we leave. Why not just get it over and start another Nazi uprising, skull head. We'll clean your clock just like we did last time.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Yes, there is a strain called Ebola-Reston that is airborne, but it does not infect humans.

It might be theoretically possible to tweak a bug, or maybe not, depending on the genetics.

I am from Reston. I have read THE HOT ZONE several times and have talked to CDC epidemiologists about it.

1. The Ebola Reston strain is indistinguishable chemically from Ebola Zaire. It is believed to be a different strain based on the results of the Reston experience. But we don't know for sure. Certainly, it is VERY closely related to Zaire. Even more so than Sudan.*

2. Reston did infect three of the keepers. They got sick, but not seriously. And no mortality. This is one major difference from Zaire. The other is the high airborne infection rate between monkey rooms.

3. The Hot Zone book discusses one experience of airborne transmission of Zaire prior to Reston. In monkeys. But it also discusses several times when the disease was NOT transmitted by air. Including one where a doctor worked in intimate contact with fluids of Ebola victims and was not infected. It appears that there is some variability of Zaire. Or at lest we don't really know the whole story on it.

4. I wouldn't want to get anywhere near Zaire (airborne or not). And Reston is STILL classified as a Cat4 pathogen. We may have just gotten lucky with what happened at Isaac Newton Square (1 mile from my house). I really don't want to expose several people to Reston and than find out that it can have mortality effects. (But I don't want to exaggerate the danger. The limited experience we had with Reston suggests it is non-fatal.)


*The flourescence test used to identify Sudan and Zaire gives a weak glow for Sudan and a strong glow for Zaire (and nothing for non-Ebola). Reston glows strongly. Like Zaire. However, the strains have not been sequenced. Even "within Zaire" there are different strains of Zaire. So the question starts to become academic about how they differ. Reston appears to be a non-lethal strain of Zaire.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

It might be theoretically possible to tweak a bug, or maybe not, depending on the genetics.

Read THE COBRA EVENT. The book was written in 1998 and is almost eery in its predictions. Prior to 911, you could say that Preston was exaggerating. After the anthrax episodes and such the fictional book seems less implausible.

Also he worked real facts and fiction together in a disturbing way. Not in the usual disturbing way, where someone puts in fiction and claims it is true. What is shocking is parts that you assume are fiction...but instead are true!!! He even pulled some of his punches because he did not want to write a how to novel or one that was to encouraging for terrorists.