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  • #346
    Originally posted by HershOstropoler
    Consulting doesn't surprise me, machine tools does to some extent. But I thought you were talking about an entrepreneur.
    No. I'm not really familiar with people saying, "Hey I'm an entrepeneur. Um. And I want to go to America because it's so much more entrepeneurial there." I think people are attracted to the business culture in the US. And are attracted specifically to computer and biotech fields in the US. But many more as employees than as entrepeneurs.

    P.s. You should have made the swipe at fluffy consulting more blatant.

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    • #347
      Originally posted by HershOstropoler
      "I remember very painfully running you to ground."

      You're dreaming.
      No. I'm a bright guy. And much more of a scientist than a lawyer in terms of analytical/discussion style. I've got no problem telling you if you are right.

      Anyway I could make the same claim of bias against you as you much more often defend the US than not. Just that usually I assume people have opinions that tend to be more in line with their background, not biased.
      I am very proud of the US. No denial.

      But I have no problem with saying that I think steel tarrifs or what have you are wrong. I don't have to try to twist the argument into a legal defense if I think that the policy is wrong. (like with the jeans).

      Plus...I've been to Austria...unlike you who obsesses over the US and how we are "too praised in the business press" but never bothers to see what he is worried about.

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      • #348
        Originally posted by HershOstropoler
        I knew there was this quote around....
        Good quote. That is what gets you so buttlocked. You can't stand the cheerleading and lose all perspective...having to appoint yourself as an anti-cheerleader and becoming an advocate rather than an analyst.

        (Plus we are great. )

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        • #349
          "You should have made the swipe at fluffy consulting more blatant."

          Not a swipe. It just seems more popular in the US and offer greater opportunity (beyond money).



          "No. I'm a bright guy. And much more of a scientist than a lawyer in terms of analytical/discussion style. I've got no problem telling you if you are right."

          Indeed, you just have a problem finding out who's right.

          "But I have no problem with saying that I think steel tarrifs or what have you are wrong. I don't have to try to twist the argument into a legal defense if I think that the policy is wrong. (like with the jeans)."

          The banana tariffs/quotas are stupid. That's not a problem. As for "twist the argument into a legal defense", you may remember, Mr scientist, that one issue in the jeans thread was the evil, evil ECJ just inventing stuff (ie, implementing what the directive said).

          "Plus...I've been to Austria...unlike you who obsesses over the US and how we are "too praised in the business press" but never bothers to see what he is worried about."

          1. The business press is the funnier part of this, but not the only one.
          2. Worried ? About what ?
          3. You're overusing that troll
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #350
            "Good quote. That is what gets you so buttlocked."

            So, was Mr Tocqueville "buttlocked" ?

            "You can't stand the cheerleading and lose all perspective...having to appoint yourself as an anti-cheerleader and becoming an advocate rather than an analyst."

            Oh I admit to doing a bit of anti-cheerleading, and it gets you buttlocked. I'm not losing perspective, though.

            "Plus we are great."

            If you were half as great as you think you are, I would be deeply impressed.
            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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            • #351
              Originally posted by HershOstropoler
              "You should have made the swipe at fluffy consulting more blatant."

              Not a swipe. It just seems more popular in the US and offer greater opportunity (beyond money).
              I think it was the interaction with American companies and the general experience of being in America that drew them. Staffing was actually fuller in Germany until recently. Although we didn't discuss it specifically, that is the impression I got. These were all people who had been hired in GE or AU and had consulting jobs already. They were on short term transfers for the experience. (Many choosing to stay.)

              You haven't really made the one critique of my point, which you might, which is language. Much easier for them than for us to go to the other land. (Probably culture too. Easier to be a foreigner in the US than GE.)




              As for "twist the argument into a legal defense", you may remember, Mr scientist, that one issue in the jeans thread was the evil, evil ECJ just inventing stuff (ie, implementing what the directive said).
              But your interpretation was a real reach. I think by the end of the discussion we had agreed to that.

              3. You're overusing that troll
              It's not just a troll. I think it's significant.
              Last edited by TCO; January 16, 2003, 12:20.

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              • #352
                Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                "Good quote. That is what gets you so buttlocked."

                So, was Mr Tocqueville "buttlocked" ?
                I already said good quote. Not only is it apt but it is revealing. I can look beyond the "does it say good things about us?", to "does it reveal something interesting and pervasive?" T is a very good writer and thinker. He strikes some chords. Just like Menkin does.

                [troll]Plus read the text...T says that it makes even those who want to agree with it, weary. So I would say he was more tired than buttlocked. We reserve the latter for you.[/troll]


                If you were half as great as you think you are, I would be deeply impressed.
                So what. What's it hurt you? Drop the little brother envy. It's not like we worry about y'all being too great and have to try to knock you off a pedastal. (Ok...now I am trolling. )
                Last edited by TCO; January 16, 2003, 12:25.

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                • #353
                  FYI: I DanSed my 11:09 post.

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                  • #354
                    "But your interpretation was a real reach. I think by the end of the discussion we had agreed to that."

                    I think by the end of the discussion I was using the same style as those who attacked the decision. I also said maybe 3 times before that that it's not a clearcut issue, but nobody would listen.

                    "It's not just a troll. I think it's significant."

                    You can keep that troll until at least 2005, it seems....

                    "So what. What's it hurt you?"

                    There's a difference between "hurt" and "annoyance".

                    "Drop the little brother envy."

                    I'd love to see one person being able to tell me what I should be jealous of. Wanna try ?
                    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                    • #355
                      And my 11:14 one.

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                      • #356
                        Ice station zebra

                        Originally posted by GP


                        2 major issues: Hull strength and sensors.

                        Hull strength: Basically if you are under ice and want to surface (which you need to do in the event of serious fire or flooding or reactor or engineering casualty) you need to have a hull strong enough to break the ice. Nay sub can crack an inch or so of ice. Russians had some that could crack several feet. 637 was designed to be rather strong in the under-ice capability. It has sail planes that rotate to vertical and a lot of extra strenght membranes to protect periscope housings, sail top, and vulnerable parts of the top of the boat. 688 didn't have that until rather late in the line. (I think when they went to bow planes.) Any nuke sub can go under ice. But one that lacks surfacing ability is taking an awful chance.
                        To quote from "Ice Station Zebra":

                        "Put a torpedo in the tubes, Blow a hole in the Ice, BUT GET ME THERE!"

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                        • #357
                          "You haven't really made the one critique of my point, which you might, which is language. Much easier for them than for us to go to the other land."

                          No need for it. From the scarce data about euro-US migration, it looks quite few people are moving both ways, and in about the same nrs.

                          Depending on what you do, I do not think language is such a big problem. You get along with english here, and have all the time to learn the native language if you want to stay.
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #358
                            Originally posted by HershOstropoler

                            "It's not just a troll. I think it's significant."

                            You can keep that troll until at least 2005, it seems....
                            I will label my trolls from now on. That one is a troll in that I like to tease you about it. But the point is significant.

                            I'd love to see one person being able to tell me what I should be jealous of. Wanna try ?
                            I'm sorry dude. I just have this image of you with fists up.

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                            • #359
                              Well, not the only odd image you seem to see....
                              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                              • #360
                                I can kick GP's ass in the dirt
                                (or maybe not)

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