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  • #136
    Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
    Are you talking about the illegal immagrents who were arrested? If so, they did break laws, but their treatment is pretty crappy.
    They were held, without charge, for periods approaching 6 months or a year. That was against your own laws, and if not then your country sucks ass.
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    • #137
      Originally posted by cia
      Frogger, my question is what does Canada do when someone is illegally living in the country? And what is the legal definition of hate speech?
      If they are illegally here then they are arrested, charged, given a speedy trial and deported or not. Yours were held for months without seeing a lawyer. Police state tactics. Thuggery. Despicable.
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      • #138
        The question of what you did and are still doing with the prisoners of war in Guantanamo is a different story. You are breaking international law, not domestic law. Just as bad, but nothing to do with your police's powers (unless and until such time as said treatment is applied to those arrested/detained/captured inside your country).
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        • #139
          Ramo, are you talking the illegal immigrants or the Afghan fighters?
          Illegal immigrants. Of course the indefinite detention due to the "illegal combatant" label for the Taleban fighers was certainly wrong, but not necessarily unconstitutional.
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          • #140
            You are breaking international law


            No we're not.

            Police state tactics. Thuggery. Despicable.


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            • #141
              Since when are ILLEGAL immigrants covered under the Constitution of the United States?!
              Is the whole world and all it's people under our legal system?
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              • #142
                Court decision in 2000. Hold on, I'll look up the case.
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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Ned


                  Alexander's Horse, this reads like a liberal/leftist wish list. The question really should be is why the rest of the West shifted so strongly to the left after WWII while the US did not.
                  I think that has a lot to do with the McCarthy hearings and other aspects of the 'Red Scare'. Americans tend to see things as black and white rather than shades of grey; the Scare had the effect of giving socialism a significant negative image with us, regardless of whether it was justified or not.
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                  • #144
                    So it's okay to just grab people off the streets of your country, not let them see a lawyer and disappear them into a black hole for 6 months? Your own Constitution says that it's unacceptable. If they broke the law in entering your country then you try them under the law. Your police had no legal authority to detain them without charging them.

                    No we're not.
                    Yes you are. You do not have the authority to declare unilaterally who is and who is not a POW. Those captured on the battlefield have a prima facia (sp?) case for being POWs, and need to be given some sort of formal hearing to determine their status. If it is determined that they are POWs, (irrespective of whether or not they engaged in illegal acts against the US) then you have the obligation to give them a fair trial and treatment similar to one which would be given to a US citizen or member of the US military. If you cannot convict them then you have the obligation to return them to freedom within a reasonable timeframe after the war they were captured during is over. There are also limits on the length and conditions of questioning you can subject them to.
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                    • #145
                      Actually it was in 2001 (hmmm time flies). Zadvydas v. Davis.
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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by cia
                        Since when are ILLEGAL immigrants covered under the Constitution of the United States?!
                        Is the whole world and all it's people under our legal system?
                        I was under the impression that your police have restrictions placed on them for all those which are in their custody. That's the way it works here, honey.

                        Amendment 5, US Constitution:

                        "No person...shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by cia
                          Since when are ILLEGAL immigrants covered under the Constitution of the United States?!
                          Is the whole world and all it's people under our legal system?
                          Just those held by your police. Your laws apply to all those within the geographic boundaries of the US. Noncitizens are entitled to the same rights and freedoms as you are unless specifically stated. You can't murder an illegal immigrant, neither can the authorities detain him indefinitely without charging him.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Frogger


                            Everyone else lost more, relative to their pop. We lost 60 000 with a pop. a tenth of yours, and we were all the way across the ocean from the fighting. Never mind how light you got off in WWI...
                            I don't think we got off light at all, considering how we didn't start the damn thing in the first place.
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                            • #149
                              and we did?
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                              Killing it is the new killing it
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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                Court decision in 2000. Hold on, I'll look up the case.
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