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Originally posted by Sava
Between 1963 and 1975, the US killed 4 million Asians.
That's nothing compared to the number they killed themselves, and it's also highly contestable.
Since 1998, the US backed UN sanctions have killed an estimate 500,000 Iraqi's.
Yes, asking that Saddam Hussein divert some of the resources used to build his dozen + palaces to feed his people and maintain Iraq's infrastructure is just plain genocide. Are you sure you don't mean 1992?
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Ned, yep, that's why I thought about people giving up their former citizenships before they could join.
Some other actions could be taken to make sure everything goes fine.
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and they can still keep making contracts with merc groups as outside help, but these would become US soldiers, mixed up with native US soldiers to avoid anything happening. Besides, some mercs just want to stay independent, and not come part of something bigger with more responsibility. Also they wouldnt' get so much money paid, so very few true mercs would be interested in a deal like this.
Also this could apply to only some safe countries first, to avoid people from rushing in if its food and up keep they only want. Also, if they are not valid for entering college/university, then they don't need education beneftis and are pretty much waste. Maybe they could stay in the army only. Make 20 year contract with them or something, and people who are valid entering higher education (people who have some school backround) could be the target. So you'd get fairly young, fit, fairly smart young men from safe countries who want to fight for virtually free.
edit: And these wouldn't be just a group of hoodloms, US gets to train them. They become soldiers in that army like the rest of them.
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Originally posted by Ned
I can see it all now - a military manned by foreign mercenaries and very few citizens. Hmm - Late Roman Empire.
Still, so long as the vast majority remained Americans so we do not repeat the mistake of the Romans, I would permit experience foreigners to join the US military.
Well, unlike Roman mercanaries, these soldiers would probably be very loyal to the US, as French Foreign Legionnaires are loyal to France, and British Ghurkas are loyal to GB. But you are right, if unchecked, this could be a problem.
Well, I still don't see the problem... Terrorists are smart and they have all the resources. Now, anyone can get a green card and join the army even now. It is very likely that the terrorists operating in the US already are there, already have green cards, and maybe they have been in country for more than 5 years. They are not trying to get in now so much, they are pretty much set already.
And if they'd let only people from safer countries, danger diminishes, and if they let people in who have military training in safe country, well it's very unlikely he is a terrorist, since he's been already checked in that country.
And first they wouldn't get any access to places which could lead to security problems if sabotage was the game. At worst, someone could shoot few foreign troopers and then get killed himself. Doesn't sound worth the risk and work. What I'm saying is, that this system wouldn't be any more dangerous than it already is. It would bring positive image maybe, these people should NOT be thought as mercs, or crazy killers or anything like that. Just people who want to be soldiers and fight the enemy, now very few nationalities can do that now. It's not fair. Also new recruits would be checked if they're wanted by Interpol, so no serial killers would get in. Minor things could be looked over like small problems in youth, since these people are tough anyway, and not all angels. This wouldn't be a bunch of criminals getting action somewhere, it would be bunch of defenders of the US, ready to risk their lives over the US and fight the enemy without big salaries. These people would be good in the field, no nationalities, but common love for the new flag. These are great defendors, also very professional and motivated. And no mother are crying in the papers that their son got killed. Now that's a plus for public opinion too. I think these people would also deserve free burial place in the US if they get killed, and a box.
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And like I said before,this thing would not be attractive choice for mercenaries, because this is binding contract for years with not much money in it. They wouldn't want to fight for some other country for free, and not be able to get out when they feel like it.
This solves some problems in recruiting business. They don't need KFC or anything like that. Besides, many of them have training already, so they might have some special skills in the field, like for me example, I really don't mind winter fighting and conditions and I can teach few tricks too. Share of information (but not secret information that they have promised to keep secrets with their original countries, just small stuff) and skills, not in training phase, but in the field with other troopers. It's bound to happen anyway.. and that's a good thing.
And some of these people want citizenship, so they are loyal to the flag, and all of them should be motivated anyway. This thing should NOT be considered as wild mercenary groups, they'd be part of the US army.
edit: And how many illegal aliens there are already in the US, and crossing the border daily? How about making them fight for you. It's good for the economy too, and there's a big opportunity to turn these people into productive citizens afterwards.
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Yeah, I heard they had to build KFC in the training center to get new recruits. I don't know, maybe it was just a joke..
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