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[Drake Tungsten]

The examples you gave are special circumstances where 1.5 year headstarts were given and the like...it doesn't prove a damn thing for the next cycle.

I mentioned two monopolies that combined have spanned most of the life of console gaming. Special circumstances, hmm?

edit: I'm also pretty sure that the SNES was released after the Sega Genesis. So much for your "headstart" theory...

You're stating it like it's a law: That once MS would get a monopoly it would hold that monopoly.

No I didn't. I said that MS thought it could obtain a large market share by the time the Xbox 2 rolls out and anticipated making money then. I don't see where you get a "law" out of that, but you are quite good at making **** up.

The Xbox won't even close to being a monopoly in 2005, which totally trashes your theory to beginwith
* Nobody expected the Xbox to be close to a monopoly in 2005 to beginwith

I never said MS would have a monopoly by 2005; I said they would have a large market share. You don't need a monopoly in consoles to turn a profit. Quit beating your strawmen and come back to the light...

[Asher]

I never said MS would have a monopoly by 2005; I said they would have a large market share. You don't need a monopoly in consoles to turn a profit. Quit beating your strawmen and come back to the light...

How do you define a large marketshare?

They'll end up with 30%, 35% tops. That's not a large marketshare in my books, and I don't see how it means they won't need to lose lots of money again in 2005...wanna run that one by me again?

Did you also consider that the majority non-Nintendo fans tend not to be very loyal to the platform? They tend to be far more casual outside of Nintendo's realm, they go where the good games on...doesn't matter what brand their last console was.

[DanS]

You don't even need close to 50% market share to make good money on consoles. 25% would be quite sufficient.

[Ted Striker]

Check out these bad boys:

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[Asher]

Originally posted by DanS
You don't even need close to 50% market share to make good money on consoles. 25% would be quite sufficient.

This is true, but this is not the goal.

MS wants a majority marketshare, in order to protect its core businesses.

So it doesn't mean once they get 25% marketshare they start selling consoles at-cost like Nintendo is ready to do. It means they're about 50% short of their goal and they need to gain more marketshare, which costs even more $$$$...

[Drake Tungsten]

they go where the good games on...doesn't matter what brand their last console was.

If this is true, then why are people buying the Xbox? It can't be for the games; the Xbox has the worst library out of all three consoles.

People buy consoles based on hype and name brand recognition helps build hype and sell consoles. That's what the Xbox is doing; building name brand recognition for MS and paving the way for a profitable Xbox 2.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
If this is true, then why are people buying the Xbox? It can't be for the games; the Xbox has the worst library out of all three consoles.

Give me a break, Drake.
Can we at least try to keep this subjective?

I'd hate to bring in numbers like Xbox having a higher attach rate (games sold per console) than the Gamecube and the higher numbers of 1M+ sellers...

You know it's my opinion that the Gamecube has the worst library, anyway.

People buy consoles based on hype and name brand recognition helps build hype and sell consoles. That's what the Xbox is doing; building name brand recognition for MS and paving the way for a profitable Xbox 2.

And what do you base this off? Just gut instinct, based off your intricate knowledge of how the Xbox and MS works?

The Xbox2 is going to be an expensive bastard. It'll be coming out the same time as the PS3, which means it won't have a year to wait out and get better tech. MS needs it to be faster and more flexible than the PS3, coming out at the same time, which means it's going to cost a fortune for them to do...

That's my basis for it, why do YOU think the Xbox2 is going to "profitable", not just slightly, but enough to offset the billions of dollars they lost with the original Xbox.

[Drake Tungsten]

That's my basis for it, why do YOU think the Xbox2 is going to "profitable", not just slightly, but enough to offset the billions of dollars they lost with the original Xbox.

It all depends on how successful the Xbox is. If the Xbox does well and gamers embrace it, then the Xbox 2 will receive all the advance buzz and media hype that the PS2 got this time around. MS needs to make the Xbox seem "cooler" than the PS2 by the time the next generation rolls around. If they can do this, then they'll be poised to have the highest market share in an industry that is growing at an astronomical rate. Sounds like a profitable deal to me, but what do I know? I'm just an illogical liberal, right Fez?

[Asher]

I'm just an illogical liberal, right Fez?

Could you knock it off with the ad hominem crap?

I've said some of your arguments are illogical, that doesn't mean I think you're illogical and it certainly is different from what Fez does.

Perhaps what you're saying is quite logical to you, but it doesn't make a damn bit of sense if you had any idea what MS was doing with the Xbox. Which is a shame, because I told you how you could learn more about it, but you refuse to, but still debate about it without knowing it.

The Xbox will not be profitable, the Xbox2 will not be profitable.

But that's still beside the point.
MS didn't get in the video game business for the profits, but to protect its core business and perhaps make a profit while doing so.

I've got my sources, many first-hand and fly-on-the-wall accounts of the planning of the Xbox and its successor in the book I mentioned. Mine are grounded in reality.

Your sources are your own mind and what you think might be happening. Even when told about evidence to the contrary you plug your ears and don't want to hear it.

You should look at your own position before you call me Fez.

[Ted Striker]

Damn man I was hoping we could have a discussion on FreeBSD 5, PHP 5, and Apache 2.

[Drake Tungsten]

Perhaps what you're saying is quite logical to you, but it doesn't make a damn bit of sense if you had any idea what MS was doing with the Xbox.

My arguments aren't made illogical just because you don't agree with them. People can logically come to two different conclusions. It would be nice if you figured that out...

Even when told about evidence to the contrary you plug your ears and don't want to hear it.

I asked for internet sources, so I hardly think that I plugged my ears to your evidence. I just don't want to run out to buy and read a book I have no interest in simply to debate you on Poly. I guess I don't feel guilty about that...

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Check out these bad boys:

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1. Be still my beating heart.

2. They look kinda junky for that amount of money. I want some steel and water-cooling and crap like that for that amount of money.

3. I tried to get one full loaded but it kept gltiching up. This is the best I could do. Only has 6 extra sytem boards. And man! It is all about the system boards. http://store.sun.com/webconfig/BuildConfig.jhtml;$sessionid$Q41F0BK2G5W3RAMTHLUSTGUBSM3OSKXO#Summa ry

4. My credit card was not approved. Need to get a higher limit I guess.

[Drake Tungsten]

Damn man I was hoping we could have a discussion on FreeBSD 5, PHP 5, and Apache 2.

Mac OS X kicks ass, partially because it's built on FreeBSD and Apache.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by GP


1. Be still my beating heart.

2. They look kinda junky for that amount of money. I want some steel and water-cooling and crap like that for that amount of money.

3. I tried to get one full loaded but it kept gltiching up. This is the best I could do. Only has 6 extra sytem boards. And man! It is all about the system boards. http://store.sun.com/webconfig/BuildConfig.jhtml;$sessionid$Q41F0BK2G5W3RAMTHLUSTGUBSM3OSKXO#Summa ry

4. My credit card was not approved. Need to get a higher limit I guess.

"All about the system boards."

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Damn man I was hoping we could have a discussion on FreeBSD 5, PHP 5, and Apache 2.

Mac OS X kicks ass, partially because it's built on FreeBSD and Apache.

Have you used Mac OS yet Drake?

I have no experience with it, but even people that don't like Macs seem to like it. Though I heard the original release was deathly slow because of the GUI that sits on top of FreeBSD, while graphically amazing, grinds along.