Weed triggers depression...

[Sava]

Millions of people suffer from depression that don't smoke weed, Speer. If anything, an occasional joint would help.

[Shi Huangdi]

"I want to stop drug use... legalization does nothing to stop drug use..."

Prohibition hasn't done that either. But it has created associated crime, a whole criminal class that does damage(drug dealers), overclogged our prisons with non-violent criminals, and taken away the freedom of people to do what they want with their own bodies.

"I agree with Speer. Most drugs just run people into the ground. And quickly."

Even if that were true, why should the government be protecting us from ourselves?

"Because it became too ingrained in our culture."

And because the attempts to ban it failed utterly. The WOD isn't working out so well either.

"Not so. We tried outlawing alcohol nationwide and too many people used it to be effective."

Again, the WOD has not been very effective. Despite our best effort drugs are still available.

"And this is right, since I don't feel it necessary to pay for the evils that your high creates. Fvck that."

You already are paying for the consequences of drugs. You are paying for when they have to go the hospital and can't afford treatment, you are paying for prisons, and you are paying for the court system.

"For the moment. I don't see how it can continue."

I very much doubt cigs will ever be completely gone. It's too big of a business to go down completely, I doubt the government would allow that... It'd be huge economic devestation to the entire south...

Anyway, most of the lawsuits AFAIK have been because the companies failed to adequately warn of the dangers associated with them.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by DanS
Because it became too ingrained in our culture.

I agree with that (That alcohol is too ingrained in our culture), but I think the case could be made (or will be able to be made within 20 years) that marijuana has a similiar place in society.

Who knows though, maybe it will grow less popular for some reason.

Jon Miller

[Graag]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I agree with that (That alcohol is too ingrained in our culture), but I think the case could be made (or will be able to be made within 20 years) that marijuana has a similiar place in society.

Who knows though, maybe it will grow less popular for some reason.

Indeed, Jon. Cannabis is utterly ingrained in most western cultures, particularly youth cultures. More people than ever before are smoking it now (at least according to govt. stats lol). At very least 50% of under 25's either have smoked or condone smoking... I'll be surprised if cannabis isn't legalised in the UK and most of EU within a generation.
That said, it's been pretty damn popular since the dawn of time, so why the law change now?

[Berzerker]

So AS, how do you propose to change people's minds about drugs?

How else? Mind control! We'll start by organising the youth into clubs where they go around reporting drug users, including parents, to the proper authorities. Then we will train the youth to go out and make arrests themselves. And so they can be identified and not confused with all the rabble, we'll dress them up in shirts of the same color...say...brown shirts...

[Graag]

LMAO

[Berzerker]

Dan S -

If only it were so simple. The trial lawyers would have a field day with inherently dangerous products such as weed, just as they are doing with tobacco.

There's a difference, the tobacco industry is under fire because the industry lied for decades about their product. The alcohol industry isn't under attack from the lawyers because they didn't lie about their product. But give 'em time...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Berzerker
There's a difference, the tobacco industry is under fire because the industry lied for decades about their product.

You mean the warnings decalring it to be poison weren't enough of a tip off to customers?

[Berzerker]

DanS -

By all these depressives around. The fact is that if you screw up your mind or body, I will end up paying for it.

The solution is to punish the politicians who are forcing you to pay for others, not punish those who aren't. But I hope you don't consider this an argument to punish drug users, we'll end up with the obesity police if this rationale takes hold.

[Berzerker]

Dinodoc -

You mean the warnings decalring it to be poison weren't enough of a tip off to customers?

Those warnings started in the 60's, people who started using prior to the warnings are the ones with the strongest cases before juries. But hell, cigs were called coffin nails in the 19th century and anyone inhaling smoke can't be oblivious to the inherent danger of puffing away for a lifetime and they're lucky I'm not any jury hearing their case.

[Dis]

this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

Did the study think that some of these kids starting using drugs because they were depressed Many kids use drugs as an escape from their depression.

Drugs don't cause depression, they are the effect of depression.

'nuff said

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
I'm talking ****?

I'm one of the few people on this site who is actually real...

Yeah, real dumb.

all I know is philly...

Then why do you pretend to know what life is like beyond that ****hole of a city. I've been to Philly, it's the only place I've ever visited that I thought, I don't ever want to live here.

I've never done any drugs but you know god damn well I've had first-hand experiences with what drugs do to people.

Never done drugs, and still a depressed, angst-ridden teen.

Frankly, it was you leftist crackers who brought drugs into the cities... not finding nothing wrong with bringing drugs in... I think this is a plot to keep us wasting our money and staying in ****holes...

Guess what, doing drugs is the quickest way to get kicked out of any leftist organization, so again, you don't know smack. You know who brought the drugs in? The Mob, friends of the CIA, the CIA itself, all extremely right-wing organizations. And guess what, pot-smoking, that's something Black people continued doing after prohibition in 1937. The Beatniks picked up from them, and rock n'roll culture from them.

You are such a pretentious f*ck, Speer. You need to read Bomb the Cities, by Upski (if you can find it). He's since repudiated his earlier work, Bomb the Suburbs. BTW, my life-partner, Bunnygrrl, she used to run with Upski back in the 80s and 1990. You are so disconected from reality.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Dissident
this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

Did the study think that some of these kids starting using drugs because they were depressed Many kids use drugs as an escape from their depression.

Drugs don't cause depression, they are the effect of depression.

'nuff said

Please read the article more carefully. The researchers studied groups of young people, some who smoked frequently and some who did not, over a period of time and found that during this period of time those who smoked heavily were at greater risk of developing depression. It would be standard technique to try to match the 2 groups on relevant characteristics, and to exclude anyone who was already depressed. We don't know that for certain of course because we're not reading the scientific article.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
[Q] You know who brought the drugs in? The Mob, friends of the CIA, the CIA itself, all extremely right-wing organizations. And guess what, pot-smoking, that's something Black people continued doing after prohibition in 1937. The Beatniks picked up from them, and rock n'roll culture from them.

The mob was smuggling contraband into the US long, long before the CIA was born. In fact, they smugggled narcotics before they smuggled booze.

Prohibition ended in 1933. Many people considered beatniks to be left wingers, probably because many of them were. Alan Ginsberg was definitely NOT John Birch Society material!

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by DanS
"Hmm, what about booze?"

I don't think anybody has had success showing that it's an inherently dangerous product. Maybe they will in the future.

Huh?

Pick up any standard medical textbook. Look up alcohol in the table of contents or the index. You'll find plenty of information about the harmful effects of alcohol.