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    [T]he administration has chosen a strategy of economic and diplomatic isolation. The idea is to squeeze the North Korean regime to the point where it can no longer function.

    That could be done. China supplies nearly all of North Korea's energy and 40 percent of its foodstuffs. South Korea has significant investments in North Korea. International organizations provide a huge amount of food aid. Moreover, North Korea has only a few major harbors. They could be blockaded. If China and South Korea were to cut off North Korea, it could not survive.

    The problem with this scenario is that South Korea and China do not want to play ball. They fear the chaos that might ensue. The American containment strategy was already falling apart on Day One, when both the South Korean president and the president-elect criticized it.

    The Chinese have been even more recalcitrant. They show no inclination to deny North Korea what it needs to survive. Even more ominously, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times reports that the Chinese have just shipped 20 tons of highly specialized chemicals used in extracting plutonium from spent reactor fuel.

    What to do when your hand is so poor? Play the trump. We do have one, but we dare not speak its name: a nuclear Japan. Japan cannot long tolerate a nuclear-armed North Korea. Having once lobbed a missile over Japan, North Korea could easily hit any city in Japan with a nuclear-tipped weapon. Japan does not want to live under that threat.

    We should go to the Chinese and tell them plainly that if they do not join us in squeezing North Korea and thus stopping its march to go nuclear, we will endorse any Japanese attempt to create a nuclear deterrent of its own. Even better, we would sympathetically regard any request by Japan to acquire American nuclear missiles as an immediate and interim deterrent. If our nightmare is a nuclear North Korea, China's is a nuclear Japan. It's time to share the nightmares.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3921-2003Jan2.html
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  • #2
    i think it's wrong to bully nations into doing our bidding
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    • #3
      I hardly think that China needs to be reminded of the consequences of a nuclear NK. But why they haven't been more proactive on the issue is befuddling to me.

      Why can't the powers in the region sit down and plan out an orderly collapse of NK (or at least as orderly as possible) and Korean reunification? It's time.
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      • #4
        Even if it's in the world’s best interest? Remember that just four years ago the North Koreans sent suicide agents in to South Korea. We never found out what their mission was. They also routinely send gunboats into South Korean waters and open fire on South Korean Naval ships. What about the missiles they fired over Japan a few years back?

        You have to stand up to nations that refuse to behave semi-rationally. Or at least you have to punish bad behavior and reward good behavior.
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        • #5
          The Chinese communists won't ever willingly give up their Korean puppet. Even if it starves its people and acts like a deranged war monger.
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          • #6
            I read that article earlier today. The idea strikes me as unrealistic, dangerous, and of course hypocritical (the US supposedly opposes the proliferation of WoMDs).

            Oh, and by the way: does Japan want nukes?

            Besides, if it's a nuclear NK we're so worried about, why not give SK nukes, not Japan?

            Any way you cut it, though, this would be getting into NK's brinkmanship game. And what if, perchance, when presented with the threat of a nuclear Japan, the Chinese shrugged and pointed at their nuclear weapons?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arrian
              And what if, perchance, when presented with the threat of a nuclear Japan, the Chinese shrugged and pointed at their nuclear weapons?
              Regardless of the merrits of the proposal, I don't think that is a strong possibilty if we take the American response to a nuclear armed NK as an example.
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              • #8
                Japan with nukes? Hadn't thought of that before. Hell, not long ago Japan largely balked at the idea of having a regular standing military. Giving them nukes might actually be an effective deterent for North Korea, though I doubt it's a good idea in the long run. The more nations that have nukes, the more likely the risk of nuclear weapons being used in future conflicts...
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                • #9
                  Let's face it there are a lot of countries in the world that could build nukes if they wanted to. Our policies should be designed to punish those countries which opt for nukes and reward those countries which agree to give up nukes.
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                  • #10
                    Dino,

                    Why assume the Chinese will react to a given threat the way we would?

                    -Arrian
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                    • #11
                      Surely Japan could have nuclear weapons any time it wishes, let's face it, it more than has the capability...
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                      • #12
                        Japan, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Italy, Spain, Sweden, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, South Korea, Kazakstan, and a number of other countries could all build nukes if they wanted to. The whole point of trying to deter countries like North Korea from building nukes is so that other countries don't feel they also have to go out and build nukes for self defense.

                        If we sit on the fence with this issue and start the "that would just be bullying" sort of none sense then the world will quickly become less and less safe.
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                        • #13
                          Japan, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Italy, Spain, Sweden, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, South Korea, Kazakstan, and a number of other countries could all build nukes if they wanted to. The whole point of trying to deter countries like North Korea from building nukes is so that other countries don't feel they also have to go out and build nukes for self defense.

                          If we sit on the fence with this issue and start the "that would just be bullying" sort of none sense then the world will quickly become less and less safe as more and more countries become nuclear armed.
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                          • #14
                            how can the western world exist with nuclear weapons, more than enough to blow the world to bits, and tell other nations that they can't have them? If you want to use embargoes and diplomatic pressure to convince a nation not to build nuclear weapons, fine...but threatening them with military action or nuclear force and bullying third party nations into going along with it is, in my opinion, wrong.
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                            • #15
                              It's called the real world. Like Apolyton it is not always a Democracy nor is it fair. The point now becomes what is in our interests and how do we make the world a safer place; i.e. how do we keep the number of nukes as small as possible?

                              The anwser is the carrot and the stick. Good boys and girls get the carrot while the naughty boy who doesn't listen gets made an example of.
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