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**MarkG** · January 2, 2003, 20:47

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
The welsh thread for a recent example?

you really should learn the meaning of smilies you know....

**Zylka** · January 2, 2003, 20:48

uh hi, could someone stop posting irrelevant pictures of Greek fags, please

**Dis** · January 2, 2003, 20:48

why do people make these assumptions about me?

No I would not support a thread against rap lyrics.

Just because I like rock music you assume I don't like rap? I was listening to rap when it first came out in the 80's sonny boy. I listen to old school rap and gangsta rap.

In fact I like most types of music. I also like some reggae, blues, and jazz music. I don't just like "Rock"

P.S. you know nothing about me. I've made numerous statements about growing up poor. I grew up in downtown Las Vegas, and went to Las Vegas high school on 7th street (they have since moved it). I'm not some suburb kid. What's with these stereotypes?

Just because I listen to rock doesn't mean I'm from the suburbs.

P.S. you didn't include the smiley from my first post in this thread. I was kidding of couse. I just thought the thread title was narrow minded that's all.

**MarkG** · January 2, 2003, 20:49

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Go take your own, and make 'em nice. I need them for Clash and I don't want to pay $1700 for the one I'm using as a comp.

that image you have in the attached screenshot costs 1700$???

anyway, i'll see if i can do something over the weekend

**Ted Striker** · January 2, 2003, 20:53

I studied and listened to rock for like 6 years when I got sick of rap a while back. After all that I came back to the conclusion that rap is superior

I would agree with you but unfortunatley even rap has become watered down.

To get the really good rock stuff, you have to go back in time the the 1960s, that's when it was still fresh and going in alot of different directions.

Mick Jagger, for example, can play any instrument you put in his hands. The Stones would often go off to different countries when they recorded an album so they could find new sounds and to keep their stuff fresh.

After 1970, the whole thing turned into crap and settled into the old formula of singer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, and drums. It's really sad that has been the same formula has been used in rock for over 30 years now.

I think it was really PATHETIC when everyone was so excitied 2 years ago because that group Travis came out with a song that actually had a BANJO in it. "Oh my! TThey actually used a BANJO!!!!"

**Tuberski** · January 2, 2003, 21:04

Butterfly by Crazytown.

Anybody, or, more likely, everyone heard this song?

Can you tell me who played the background music that they sampled?

ACK!

**monkspider** · January 2, 2003, 21:05

Tube - Isn't it the Chili Peppers?

**JimmyCracksCorn** · January 2, 2003, 21:06

Originally posted by Dissident
why do people make these assumptions about me?

No I would not support a thread against rap lyrics.

Just because I like rock music you assume I don't like rap? I was listening to rap when it first came out in the 80's sonny boy. I listen to old school rap and gangsta rap.

Ok, sonny boy, granted, you like other types of music. But then why did you immediately bash this thread when Speer just asked a question? If you noticed, he first asked if rock musicians write their lyrics, and then based his question on the assumption that his initial belief was corrrect.

**Tuberski** · January 2, 2003, 21:10

Originally posted by monkspider
Tube - Isn't it the Chili Peppers?

Absolutely correct

"Pretty little ditty" from Mother's Milk.

As a side note, Flea played the trumpet for that song.

ACK!

**Ted Striker** · January 2, 2003, 21:10

Originally posted by Tuberski
Butterfly by Crazytown.

Anybody, or, more likely, everyone heard this song?

Can you tell me who played the background music that they sampled?

ACK!

This is the one that goes, "Come come my lady..." ?

Who was the sample?

**Tuberski** · January 2, 2003, 21:11

Yes, that is the one, and monkspider was correct.

ACK!

**JimmyCracksCorn** · January 2, 2003, 21:19

Originally posted by Ted Striker

I would agree with you but unfortunatley even rap has become watered down.

To get the really good rock stuff, you have to go back in time the the 1960s, that's when it was still fresh and going in alot of different directions.

Mick Jagger, for example, can play any instrument you put in his hands. The Stones would often go off to different countries when they recorded an album so they could find new sounds and to keep their stuff fresh.

After 1970, the whole thing turned into crap and settled into the old formula of singer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, and drums. It's really sad that has been the same formula has been used in rock for over 30 years now.

I think it was really PATHETIC when everyone was so excitied 2 years ago because that group Travis came out with a song that actually had a BANJO in it. "Oh my! TThey actually used a BANJO!!!!"

I know what you mean about old rock, that was the kind of rock that made me go on the 6 year tangent in the first place. Old (british mainly) rock was very innovative, and enjoyable. Plus, they had a level of cockiness to them about themselves, while today it seems the cockiness is in an artistic sense which I just find pretentious.

Rap took alot of the good qualities of rap like the old school stones cockiness and kept it pure.

And I also disagree about it being watered down... maybe what you see on TV, but those same rappers (some of them) are still staying fresh and innovative on the underground level through mixtapes and unreleased stuff. You'd be surprised.

**Ted Striker** · January 2, 2003, 21:26

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn

Old (british mainly) rock was very innovative, and enjoyable.

Rap took alot of the good qualities of rap like the old school stones cockiness and kept it pure.

I agree 100%

but those same rappers (some of them) are still staying fresh and innovative on the underground level through mixtapes and unreleased stuff.

Actually I agree with this also. There was a time when the mainstream stuff was still high quality and fresh. Some of the underground stuff you are talking about is still amazing, though, and is just on another level of creativeness that blows everything else away. We have a couple of shows after hours on the weekends on the air here where they feature local underground artists and sometimes I will stay up and drive around so I can listen to it even at 2 in the morning because that's the only time you get to hear "the good stuff."

Do you have any online source for good underground rap ?

**Sten Sture** · January 2, 2003, 21:31

There are some Berkeley/Oakland hybrid rappers that have been getting some critical acclaim of late - some of it is really well done, imo. Curious if you young'uns think so.

There is an entire genre of music called Singer/Songwriter where the lyrics are of central importance. Most have a folk base in the old Acuff-Rose tradition, and while the music is designed to be simple, the lyrics are much better art than the dullard "we will, we will rock you" fare.

**Ted Striker** · January 2, 2003, 21:35

Sten Stenish,

I have "heard" of these guys being really good but haven't sampled it myself. You have any groups would you recommmend?

I can't remember the name of the DJ in Oakland that wins the turntable contests every year and is considered the Micheal Jordan of that world and that nobody else comes close but they all copy the new things he comes up with.

Hey, for you Germans, I just rediscovered this song called, "Jeanny," by Falco of people! This song kicks ass! Check it out! You have to get the long version, though. I like it when he starts shouting in German!!!

"JEANNY!!!! WO BIST DU!?!?!?!"

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