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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ramo

    Then they got screwed when the Ottomans renegged on their promises, and took control of Constantinople's trade (previously Venice controlled the trade).
    What goes around comes around huh?

    Communist,

    Well I would say that's a valid reason. Those poor Armenians have been pawned out since the dawn of time it seems.

    Pretty cool info on Iceland there. So, the Icelanders orignated from Germany? I had the false assumption that they were Viking stock. All I know is that some dude with the name Magnus in his name always wins the World's Strongest Man competitions.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #17
      I'm really sorry to interrupt and not to post something more substantial here, but why the hell do you just keep calling us Europeans "Eurocoms" (damn)?
      "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
      "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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      • #18
        Earlier Germanic societies (as every other society) only resembled democratic societies as hunter-gatherers. When they settled down as farmers, they became feudal. Iceland was an exception.

        It wasn't Roman influence that undermined democracy, but the growth of wealth disparities.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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        • #19
          Pretty cool info on Iceland there. So, the Icelanders orignated from Germany? I had the false assumption that they were Viking stock. All I know is that some dude with the name Magnus in his name always wins the World's Strongest Man competitions.
          Scandinavians are a branch of the Germanics (as are Germans, Dutch, etc.). IIRC, Germans actually originated from the geographic region of Scandinavia.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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          • #20
            Okay. So where do the Angles and Saxons fit in that whole mix? (Sorry, I'm ignunt).
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Wernazuma III
              I'm really sorry to interrupt and not to post something more substantial here, but why the hell do you just keep calling us Europeans "Eurocoms" (damn)?
              Because we know better. Commie.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ramo


                Scandinavians are a branch of the Germanics (as are Germans, Dutch, etc.). IIRC, Germans actually originated from the geographic region of Scandinavia.
                Germanic is one of the families of the Indo-European language group. Surviving Germanic languages today are English, Dutch, German, Nowegian, Danish, Swedish, Yiddish, Afrikaans. (I probably forgot some). Germanic tribes however did not "originate" in Scandanavia, but seem to have been moving from East to West like most of the rest of the Indo-Europeans.
                He's got the Midas touch.
                But he touched it too much!
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                • #23
                  Angles are from south of Denmark... Saxons are from the area of Sachsen in germany
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                  • #24
                    Angles and Saxons were German tribes. Back in the day, they spoke the same language as the Germanic tribes in German, Austria, and the Netherlands. Then of the migrants to the British isles, their language diverged in their relative isolation with Celtic, Latin, and later French influences.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      Okay. So where do the Angles and Saxons fit in that whole mix? (Sorry, I'm ignunt).
                      These were a couple of Germanic tribes that invaded Britain (along with the Jutes) in the middle of the first millenium (ie the dark ages). They pushed the Romano-Celtic inhabitants into the worst land over time (Cornwall and Devon and Wales and Scotland), and eventually founded England. Their language was born of necessity, as there were the Angles, Saxons, Jutes as well as Viking invaders such as the Danes. All spoke Germanic languages that had some commonality, and over time a new language was born that was simplified in some pretty useful ways.
                      He's got the Midas touch.
                      But he touched it too much!
                      Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                      • #26
                        Ooo, three for one!
                        He's got the Midas touch.
                        But he touched it too much!
                        Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                        • #27
                          Germanic tribes however did not "originate" in Scandanavia, but seem to have been moving from East to West like most of the rest of the Indo-Europeans.
                          Germanics were IE, yes (technically they originated from some place in Africa ), but IIRC they spread from the region near Denmark into the regions they now occupy. The Germanic language originally diverged in this region.
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            Babies are actually quite good at swimming and holding their breath underwater. Babies can swim even before they can crawl. The Soviets did some experiments with this in the 70s and the films are amazing, watching these babies darting around the tanks. Still, I wouldn't put an infant under water.
                            Baby swimming is a popular pasttime for young families in Finland. The suitable age for the baby to start swimming is when he/she is about six months old. Later, the reflex necessary for swimming disappears, and has to be learnt again when older – all people never learn it later. It’s not the same thing as swimming that can be learnt by anyone at any age. Mind you: it’s not teaching babies how to swim; they know it by instinct. The infant has a dive reflex that makes him/her close his/her larynx when under water, and that reflex disappears later on.

                            Sorry about the threadjack. There is a link to the Middle Ages: babies had this dive reflex at that time too.

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                            • #29
                              Man, so much information! Thanks for the contributions.


                              Okay, I hope this doesn't sound racist, but in terms of overall strength (intelligence, physical ability, personal characteristics such as determination), I have to say that the Germans seem to have been the most gifted group that the planet has ever seen.

                              I say this in the same spirit as I always say that I think Turkish chicks are the hottest on the planet.

                              I am a white guy but am not German by the way. (Scottish and Italian).
                              Last edited by Ted Striker; January 1, 2003, 05:02.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Wilderess


                                Baby swimming is a popular pasttime for young families in Finland. The suitable age for the baby to start swimming is when he/she is about six months old. Later, the reflex necessary for swimming disappears, and has to be learnt again when older – all people never learn it later. It’s not the same thing as swimming that can be learnt by anyone at any age. Mind you: it’s not teaching babies how to swim; they know it by instinct. The infant has a dive reflex that makes him/her close his/her larynx when under water, and that reflex disappears later on.

                                Sorry about the threadjack. There is a link to the Middle Ages: babies had this dive reflex at that time too.
                                I have never heard of this, and it is fascinating. I wonder why they lose the instinct? Does it have something to do with being inside the womb maybe where the environment is different from the world?
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