Help Tassadar find a place to Move To

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Rasbelin
Tass, we Finns miss you, get here.

Finland wouldn't be half-bad if it weren't for Stefu.

[Pekka]

No TAS! Don't listen to Rasbelin!

Education.. ok high and good.
Crime.. what's that?
Fairly cheap.. in my dreams too. UNfortunately not true. You won't get anything special for paying high taxes. Nothing.
Job OPportunities.. dependes.. IT-business, contrary to what Rasbelin said, it's not a treat here. You have to have good skills and specialized in something, then you can have a go, but even then you get paid BAD! BAD BAD BAD! But you aren't greedy.. 25k year not enough? Well that's too bad, go back to US commie!

[Rasbelin]

You don't get paid bad here. Oh and you will get something special for paying higher taxes.

Tass, all persons that are pro Finland are welcome here. Don't listen to that Pekka. We know he's just somber again; most likely.

[Pekka]

Rasbelin, Obviously you haven't checked the rates in foreign countries? Dude.. we get raped. What do you get with your tax money, something special that other countries would not provide? Nothing.

[Dis]

health care?

[Pekka]

Yeah but it sucks here anyway. My local doctor actually mistreated me last time I injured myself, I had broken rib and he didn't even x-ray it when I demanded so. If you want to get decent treatment, you got to go to private doctors. Anyone who claims other, is lying or hasn't been sick . And it's just one example, I don't even have good experiences, now I only use private treatment.

And Rasbelin, salaries here really are BAD. If you get 3k a month, you're pretty much doing great in here. With high taxing and monster income tax, we have second worst situation in Europe, only Portugal being even worse. We don't have money! We are a good country, but if you're educated and already live in another country, moving here is going to be tough, drastic drop in salaries. Also.. there's only so little you can do here, besides drinking. Because of the harsh winter, winter sports is good, but that's it.

We have a nice country though, relatively crime free etc. But I wouldn't move here to get a job, even more so if I had good education and working experience. No way. Stick with UK, the US or something.

[Rasbelin]

Free health care with the sickness insurance all Finnish citizens have, plus many free or discounted services; libraries, education, transportaion, daycare, sports establishments, museums, etc. etc.

[Dis]

those services such anyways. I'll stick to my employer paying my health care. Well I do pay $20 a month for health care- my employer gets the rest. That seems like too much because I never go to a doctor .

[Rasbelin]

UK? You get better service here than there. As for the rest, you're always free to move from here if you want.

[Pekka]

Libraries are good, transportation is good in Helsinki, elsewhere it sucks and it wouldn't be more expensive even if it wasn't in the hands of the gov.. daycare is a problem, depends where you live. Sports establishments, yes if you play ice hockey, other than that it sucks. Museums are ok though. The only thing I'd go here is libraries, they're good. If you add bad pay, taxing that makes you want to kill yourself, and so.. I don't love libraries that much.
And free health care sucks. No one wants to treat you.

[Pekka]

How do you know we get better service here? That's just a myth.. I'll change my opinion when I get treated properly even once. And as for me, don't worry, I won't be sticking here for too long.

[Dis]

libraries, education, transportaion, daycare, sports establishments, museums

I'll try to discuss the american versions of these. I'm no tax expert thogh.

Libararies. We have them. The one's in my city aren't that great, but they aren't too shabby either. Our local taxes pay for these. But I don't have a state income tax. I think things like property and sales tax pay for these. maybe some business taxes.

transportation. This is subsidized by the local goverment. Amtrack is subsidized by the federal gov. I believe. The rest of the costs comes from the consumer. That is public transportation mind you. All private transportation is payed for by the individual.

Daycare. Not payed for by the goverment at all. Although maybe welfare helps in that? I'm not sure. many employers offer daycare, or you pay for it out of your own pocket.

museums. I think these are funded by city goverments and private contributions.

sports establishments. We have no pro sports where I live. I think all our stadiums/arenas/fields are payed for. Ticket prices account for upkeep. Cities that have new football stadiums do pay higher local taxes- dependant on a vote of course. Many people support stadiums though.

[Pekka]

Yeah.. people have a funny idea what it is in other countries. Just like some americans think they are the only free country. We think we are the only country with these goods, and it's only possible with super high taxing. And that everyone is doing ok in here. Not true.
People just have mindsets, that complaining is for fools, demanding better is worse than disowning your own son. I advice people to do travelling, have few foreing friends in foreign countries, do research, get sick in foreign countries, do it all. The only thing here that is great compared to other countries is low crime.
Looks like I go on and on about this everytime, so I try to stop it. Just people here won't even check how things are in other places. It's just myths, all in your minds. Get around.

[Rasbelin]

Well, does your local library offer free Internet access? Does it have online Internet services for searching it's collections and managing your loans? Do they only have printed material? Are you allowed to loan them for up to 5 months (in one months periods, after which you have to renew them and if no one has a reservation, you can have them up to 5 months)? Is there a limit for how many books you can get? Are there any music CDs available? What about videos? Do they have any Linux distros? What about new DVD movies?

If you're looking for any of the above, please welcome yourself to the city library of Tampere. We have everything listed above.

[Pekka]

Rasbe, yeah.. Libraries here are great. I'll give you that.. it's all good. And I'm not saying everything here sucks nuts. All I'm saying is that I hope people would realise only Portugese do worse than we do when it comes to how much money you get. Life isn't all about money, true, but it shouldn't be 45 years of hard work to just get your crappy car fully paid for and maybe even a house, and then die. You know it's true .