What's the worst genre of music ever?

[Al B. Sure!]

Tuberski:

Rappers don't whine about depression... suicide... their parents wanting them to be a certain way... how people must fight conformity...

rappers may be angsty but only because most rappers had to deal with a lot of legitimate problems unlike punk rockers...


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[Al B. Sure!]

and I can name a few rappers such as Common and Talib Kweli who always got this removed maturity in their songs... Take Common's Retrospect for Life...

Knowin you the best part of life, do I have the right to take yours
Cause I created you, irresponsibly
Subconciously knowin the act I was a part of
The start of somethin, I'm not ready to bring into the world
Had myself believin I was sterile
I look into mother's stomach, wonder if you are a boy or a girl
Turnin this woman's womb into a tomb
But she and I agree, a seed we don't need
You would've been much more than a mouth to feed
But someone, I woulda fed this information I read
to someone, my life for you I woulda had to leave
Instead I lead you to death
I'm sorry for takin your first breath, first step, and first cry
But I wasn't prepared mentally nor financially
Havin a child shouldn't have to bring out the man in me
Plus I wanted you to be raised within a family
I don't wanna, go through the drama of havin a baby's momma
Weekend visits and buyin J's ain't gon' make me a father
For a while bearing a child is somethin I never wanted to do
For me to live forever I can only do that through you
Nerve I got to talk about them niggaz with a gun
Must have really thought I was God to take the life of my son
I could have sacrificed goin out
To think my homies who did it I used to joke about, from now on
I'ma use self control instead of birth control
Cause $315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth it

[Lauryn Hill (two layers of vocals, same words)]
I, never dreamed you'd leave, in summer
You said you would be here when it rained
[Common] Yo
Why didn't you stay

Seeing you as a present and a gift in itself
You had our child in you, I probably never feel what you felt
But you dealt with it like the strong black woman you are
Through our trials and tribulations, child's elimination
An intergration of thoughts I feel about the situation
Back and forth my feelings was pacin
Happy deep down but not joyed enough to have it
But even that's a lie in less than two weeks, we was back at it
Is this unprotected love or safe to say it's lust
Bustin, more than the sweat in somebody you trust
Or is it that we don't trust each other enough
And believe, havin this child'll make us have to stay together
Girl I want you in my life cause you have made it better
Thinkin we all in love cause we can spend a day together
We talkin spendin the rest of our lives
It's too many black women that can say they mothers
but can't say that they wives
I wouldn't chose any other to mother my understanding
But I want our Parenthood to come from Planning
It's so much in my life that's undone
We gotta see eye to eye, about family, before we can become one
If you had decided to have it the situation I wouldn't run from
But I'm walkin, findin myself in my God
So I can, discipline my son with my writin
Not have a judge tellin me how and when to raise my seed
Though his death was at our greed, with no one else to blame
I had a book of Afrikan names, case our minds changed
You say your period hasn't came, and lately I've been sleepy
So quit smokin the weed and the beadies and let's have this boy



tell me that is angst...

[monkspider]

Not all rap is bad, it's mostly just modern rap. "Old-school" stuff like Run DMC and Public Enemy is great. The old-timers actually had a postive message for young African-Americans that encouraged staying in school, not using drugs, not giving up despite a system that makes things considerably difficult for them, etc. It's unfortunate that this rap has given way to the Nelly and "Cash Money Millionaire" types. Though there is still a bit of good Hip-Hop out there, if you search hard enough. For those who haven't lost all hope in the genre, I suggest they look up a rapper called Deltron 3030.

[monkspider]

Yeah, Common is a great rapper Albert. He is a very intelligent man actually. He definitely isn't the usual gangsta type. It's too bad that rappers such as Common and his ilk aren't more "common" (pardon the pun) in the mainstream. They have a great message.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Tuberski:

Rappers don't whine about depression... suicide... their parents wanting them to be a certain way... how people must fight conformity...

rappers may be angsty but only because most rappers had to deal with a lot of legitimate problems unlike punk rockers...


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I'm not disagreeing with you there, but it's still angst whether legitimate or not.

ACK!

[Al B. Sure!]

monkspider:

Run DMC and Public Enemy are garbage by today's standards... they barely rhymed! never used metaphors... they were simplistic and dumbed down almost.

and to be honest, I see Nelly et al as being a suburban thing... I have yet to meet someone who likes Nelly so I assume that nobody in the city except maybe a few girls who think he's cute like him... so I don't see people like Cash Money having much real influence on urban youth. People don't be listening to them much and if they do, only for the beats... it's the suburbans who like that ****.

and **** that Deltron ****... there's plenty of mainstream rappers who have positive messages expressed eloquently... Nas, Rakim, Scarface, 2pac, AZ, Cormega, Bone Thugs, Ghostface Killah, Killah Priest... the list goes on...


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[Seneca]

I was totally punk in '77 - gobbing, vomiting, ingesting unsuitable substances, jumping up and down to primitive music pared down to the basics...

OK, so the music was the Wombles, the unsuitable substances we're bits of biscuit I found on the floor and I was only four years old old...

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
and **** that Deltron ****... there's plenty of mainstream rappers who have positive messages expressed eloquently... Nas, Rakim, Scarface, 2pac, AZ, Cormega, Bone Thugs, Ghostface Killah, Killah Priest... the list goes on...


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How can artists with "killah" in their name provide a positive message?


ACK!

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Tuberski


How can artists with "killah" in their name provide a positive message?


ACK!

It's the man's fault they are killahs

[monkspider]

Well it's good to hear that the more positive side of Rap lives on Alb. I don't think that the Nelly type of Rap is limited to just suburban white kids though, I do come from the projects as well you know and my bro and his friends were big into the Cash Money Millionaire types. Although I guess maybe they were just into for the beats as you say, since obviously there is no lyrical content to speak of. I was never much of a man for beats myself, so I'm not really one to judge on these matters.

[Al B. Sure!]

monk:

My point is that even the most hardcore gangsta rappers are very intelligent... 2Pac was probably one of the most intelligent men in the music industry. He recorded two to three songs a day, starred in five different movies, and read hundreds of books on philosophy and culture... he changed his name to Makaveli in fact after reading machiavelli's works... Snoop Dogg, not known for his intelligence in lyrics, was an all A student in high school and had colleges giving him a slew of scholarships before he committed a minor crime... Killah Priest of Wu-Tang has said in interviews he is obsessed with Medieval history and constantly refers to Papal history in his rhymes... the white image of christ is really Caesar Borgia, second son of Pope Alexander the Sixth of Rome and when the picture was shown, thats how the devils tripped my dome...

Though most rappers are high school dropouts or didn't get past community college they are probably the most intellectual men in the music industry... even if they are hardcore gangsters half the time


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[SlowwHand]

Rap Opera. I hate those fat women with horns doing rap.

[monkspider]

Alb - You're right, some of the gangsta rappers posess a wisdom that transcends any lack of formal education they may have. Some of 2Pac's songs such as "Life Goes on" or "Changes" were indeed elequent and touching, and offered a postiive message for young African-Americans. Of course a vast majority of rappers these days are more interested in rapping about smoking that chronic blunt and so forth, but there is a true great like 2Pac every once in a while.

[Asher]

Though most rappers are high school dropouts or didn't get past community college they are probably the most intellectual men in the music industry... even if they are hardcore gangsters half the time

This one had me in stitches.

Thanks!

You should learn to separate pseudointellectuals and intellectuals.

Someone who is a hardcore gangster is ruled out from being an intellectual from the start, since they should know better..

Knowing proper English usually helps, too.

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Albert Speer

and to be honest, I see Nelly et al as being a suburban thing... I have yet to meet someone who likes Nelly so I assume that nobody in the city except maybe a few girls who think he's cute like him...

I have to disagree, Nelly is huge in the city I'm from. Of course I'm from St. Louis and he's from St. Louis.